2020 Democratic presidential primary

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.@NYGovCuomo, asked about Elizabeth Warren: “Of all the names that are out there, I think Joe Biden has the best case. I think Joe Biden has the best case because he brings the most of the secret ingredient you need to win for a Democrat, which is credibility.”

— Jimmy Vielkind (@JimmyVielkind) January 2, 2019

more points for warren

You hear “experience” a lot (which is open ended to a degree and usually requires some elaboration) but “credibility” is in the territory of the uselessly vague.

I think it's supposed to indicate some combo of "not a pathological liar"/trustworthy

but yeah wgaf

How is Bernie in the tradition of Debs?

― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Monday, December 31, 2018 8:50 PM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i'm a couple days late on this but yeah imo max is wrong there, bernie is *not* in the tradition of debs and it's imo p disingenuous to say that he is -- i tend to think max is better/smarter than that so it's a disappointing thread for me

the fact is Bernie and Warren are v close on the issues, the only difference is Bernie is comfortable with the socialist label and Warren is not. Neither are really socialists in any policy-oriented sense of the term - Bernie has (as I pointed out) never advocated afaik for a state-run economy or similar capitalism-dismantling moves

also Bernie occasionally criticizes Israel

ok sure

Andy Cuomo: I Like Empty-Shell Old Democrats Best

more dovish on foreign policy in general AFAIR

What has Warren done that wasn't dovish?

shot a hunting buddy in the face iirc

she voted to increase the military budget in 2017.

Criticizing the president.

I haven't gotten to read this yet but since we're on the subject

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/2018-11-29/foreign-policy-all

honestly, i don't know if bernie is "in the tradition" of debs but i think he is to the left of warren, economically, and throughout his life has shown an interest in radical movements that warren has not.

he may be a socialist at heart but an incrementalist--a bernsteinist to take it back to the early 20th century--but knows he can't succeed in america while talking that way. there is probably a reason he uses the term socialist instead of social democrat.

that's just speculation though. its probably more likely he just uses the term because it's the easiest way to distinguish himself from mainstream democrats.

he! "...Though I have never once in my life given a thought about the welfare of Native Americans, I am totally offended on their behalf."

I DON’T HATE WOMEN CANDIDATES — I JUST HATED HILLARY AND COINCIDENTALLY I’M STARTING TO HATE ELIZABETH WARREN

I haven't gotten to read this yet but since we're on the subject

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/2018-11-29/foreign-policy-all

― resident hack (Simon H.), 2. januar 2019 20:05 (fifty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

What's wrong with this?

That's to everyone, not just Simon :)

Into it tbh

Neatly ticks the boxes of "diplomacy first" and "bring em home" and "reinvigorate international institutions"

Also really good to see her making the connection between oligarchic corruption and authoritarianism elsewhere, but a more honest assessment would train that same analysis on the US & press for reparative action here rather than draping it in the less caustic "make trade deals work for the working class" framing

it's 2019, caustic anti-establishmentism is still a winner

crooked 'lizabeth

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/elizabeth-warren-unpopular-it-depends-who-you-ask/579247/?

this stuff in the Times about harrassment and sexism in Bernie's 2016 campaign is such a bummer, not the least of which because I'm 100% any efforts to address and grapple with these conditions in an honest way will be overwhelmingly blotted out by anti-Bernie and pro-Bernie factions using the story as a cudgel to, respectively, prove a) his coalition is made up entirely of misogynists or b) the dastardly centrist power brokers running the party are planting falsehoods to kill his candidacy.

xp fuck Peter Beinart
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/11/protests-tucker-carlsons-home-crossed-line/576001/

Amen.

holy shit, the first primary debate is JUNE? uuuuuuuugh

oh no

yeah fuck this

a year and a half long presidential election

they pushed it up four months

come post about other stuff

all of you

i mean, yeve killed ilx but maybe its salvageable

barfffffff

there should just be one long debate running all year, nightly, every week. candidates could wander on and off as availability permitted, coming on occasionally to yell about any old topic, questions could be phoned in or texted by viewers - basically a nightly news show (with terrible ratings that no one would watch)

or

ilx

I hereby cede the remainder of my 2 1/2 months of airtime to Treeship

ohhhhhhh no

Bernie Sanders says on CNN that he wasn't contemporaneously aware of allegations of sexual harassment during the 2016 campaign.

"I was a little busy," he said

— Tim Mak (@timkmak) January 3, 2019

Hey remember that sign Harry Truman put on the desk, my dude?

Pretty hard to field that buck, if you were never informed it existed.

The whole clip seems to be here:

Sanders whole response to Anderson Cooper re NYT article and staff harassment and pay disparity allegations. pic.twitter.com/7qLtcHGAWK

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) January 3, 2019

On the one hand, OK, the organization grew really fast and he probably WAS busy and it probably was hard to keep tabs on everything going on. He probably did just mean that he was unaware at the time and has already taken steps to try to address this going forward (or in the just-past Senatorial race). On the other hand, that REALLY doesn't seem like the ideal tone to use there: it just comes off as callous, especially for a labour advocate.

lol he sounds like a ceo. <3 bernie. bernie 4eva. he was the good one! he would have fixed everything!

Pathetic response from Sanders

go warren I guess

My gut feeling is to put some sort of early bet on Warren, but this far out I'm DGAF unless someone does something more than performative outrage.

So, I'm really trying to be consistent here. Clintonistas have noted on twitter that there was the same kind of problems on her campaign, and that it happens on every campaign, especially one that takes off like Sanders' did. The ramshackle nature of the beast means it's very hard to get proper standards in place from the start. And he seems to have learned from the experience, and is doing better. This is exactly why you should focus on whether or not people seem invested in being better in the future, rather than what they've done in the past, if they have 'credibility' or are 'authentic'.

But dear God what a pathetic response. He just doesn't seem to get it, seems mostly annoyed that he has to answer for these things, angry that his big accomplishments are being blemished by something so trivial. He just doesn't seem like he has credibility on the subject... Sigh.

The next two years are going to be so ugly :(