2020 Democratic presidential primary

it’s a park adjustment haha

I just invented a new word: sabersplaining.

I guess there is both a park and league adjustment

It’s not a prediction, it’s a projection

If she’s the best candidate she should be supported anyway.

Even if people hate her for dumb reasons.

She underperformed according to the 538 chart, but that doesn't show that she 'lost ground'. It was her first year as an incumbent, coming after Ted Kennedy who routinely won by 40+ points. So we can't say if she's less popular than she used to be.

there was a CNN piece this morning on Warren vs Klobuchar and Brown and it came to similar conclusions re: her electability.

I’m a member of an Indian tribe in good standing and I have the card to prove it, though by blood I’m about 1/16th and I look just as white as Warren. I think this controversy is completely silly.

It's more of an liability that Romney admits to being 100% mormon.

maybe Trump is so unpopular that it won't matter, but I think personality does typically play a role in presidential elections. I've got to think it's a not-insignificant reason not only for why we didn't have a President Hillary Clinton but also why we didn't have Presidents Gore, Kerry, Rubio, Romney, Cruz, Dole, etc.

Beto needs to stay in TX and put his energy there. We do not need a boarding school, ivy league, white son of a judge with a DUI on his record as our next president. I can't even imagine that being me and thinking it was my time to run.

Pres candidates from Massachusetts have a bad record since JFK, and Warren will fit right into the usual "out of touch northeasterner" line. I think this will plague her enough during the primaries that she won't be the candidate.

Beto has pivot written all over him

wow terrible tattoo idea

just looking to confirm beto is white male again juat checking thanks

i know it's a trigg4r for U

yep need a warning on thread pls ty

.@NYGovCuomo, asked about Elizabeth Warren: “Of all the names that are out there, I think Joe Biden has the best case. I think Joe Biden has the best case because he brings the most of the secret ingredient you need to win for a Democrat, which is credibility.”

— Jimmy Vielkind (@JimmyVielkind) January 2, 2019

more points for warren

You hear “experience” a lot (which is open ended to a degree and usually requires some elaboration) but “credibility” is in the territory of the uselessly vague.

I think it's supposed to indicate some combo of "not a pathological liar"/trustworthy

but yeah wgaf

How is Bernie in the tradition of Debs?

― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Monday, December 31, 2018 8:50 PM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i'm a couple days late on this but yeah imo max is wrong there, bernie is *not* in the tradition of debs and it's imo p disingenuous to say that he is -- i tend to think max is better/smarter than that so it's a disappointing thread for me

the fact is Bernie and Warren are v close on the issues, the only difference is Bernie is comfortable with the socialist label and Warren is not. Neither are really socialists in any policy-oriented sense of the term - Bernie has (as I pointed out) never advocated afaik for a state-run economy or similar capitalism-dismantling moves

also Bernie occasionally criticizes Israel

ok sure

Andy Cuomo: I Like Empty-Shell Old Democrats Best

more dovish on foreign policy in general AFAIR

What has Warren done that wasn't dovish?

shot a hunting buddy in the face iirc

she voted to increase the military budget in 2017.

Criticizing the president.

I haven't gotten to read this yet but since we're on the subject

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/2018-11-29/foreign-policy-all

honestly, i don't know if bernie is "in the tradition" of debs but i think he is to the left of warren, economically, and throughout his life has shown an interest in radical movements that warren has not.

he may be a socialist at heart but an incrementalist--a bernsteinist to take it back to the early 20th century--but knows he can't succeed in america while talking that way. there is probably a reason he uses the term socialist instead of social democrat.

that's just speculation though. its probably more likely he just uses the term because it's the easiest way to distinguish himself from mainstream democrats.

he! "...Though I have never once in my life given a thought about the welfare of Native Americans, I am totally offended on their behalf."

I DON’T HATE WOMEN CANDIDATES — I JUST HATED HILLARY AND COINCIDENTALLY I’M STARTING TO HATE ELIZABETH WARREN

I haven't gotten to read this yet but since we're on the subject

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/2018-11-29/foreign-policy-all

― resident hack (Simon H.), 2. januar 2019 20:05 (fifty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

What's wrong with this?

That's to everyone, not just Simon :)

Into it tbh

Neatly ticks the boxes of "diplomacy first" and "bring em home" and "reinvigorate international institutions"

Also really good to see her making the connection between oligarchic corruption and authoritarianism elsewhere, but a more honest assessment would train that same analysis on the US & press for reparative action here rather than draping it in the less caustic "make trade deals work for the working class" framing

it's 2019, caustic anti-establishmentism is still a winner

crooked 'lizabeth

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/elizabeth-warren-unpopular-it-depends-who-you-ask/579247/?

this stuff in the Times about harrassment and sexism in Bernie's 2016 campaign is such a bummer, not the least of which because I'm 100% any efforts to address and grapple with these conditions in an honest way will be overwhelmingly blotted out by anti-Bernie and pro-Bernie factions using the story as a cudgel to, respectively, prove a) his coalition is made up entirely of misogynists or b) the dastardly centrist power brokers running the party are planting falsehoods to kill his candidacy.

xp fuck Peter Beinart
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/11/protests-tucker-carlsons-home-crossed-line/576001/

Amen.

holy shit, the first primary debate is JUNE? uuuuuuuugh

oh no

yeah fuck this

a year and a half long presidential election

they pushed it up four months

come post about other stuff

all of you

i mean, yeve killed ilx but maybe its salvageable