2020 Democratic presidential primary

Are Native Americans upset about the DNA test thing though? There was one statement from the Cherokee nation but that person was under the misconception that Warren was claiming tribal membership (whereas her announcement video made it clear she wasn’t and showed sensitivity to those issues)

Hey you know Seth Rich was a real guy w a family that was begging people not to do what Adomian was doing, right?

are we still talking about the comic

are we?

Dave Weigel otm xp

Warren is good. I admire the campaign Beto ran in Texas but come on he is a lightweight next to her and that’s no offense to Beto. I think it would be terrible if primary voters based their decisions on whether Trump would make fun of the candidate.

Beto's band wasn't bad tbf.

At a certain point you have to ignore bullies. If people want to vote for another candidate for a different reason that’s fine but the stuff about her not being cool enough and being a favroed target of Trump, a sociopath who is one one-millionth of the person she is, is bad and I’m sorry cowardly.

It’s truly fucked up to define the issue as “about the comic”. Eat shit

I just watched the Warren video and it's good.

Are Native Americans upset about the DNA test thing though?

Generally speaking, no, but it opens a window for white social-media leftists to act upset on their behalf, so.

It's true, I heard very little about it from all those native american activists the media is constantly giving a platform to

If there was a way to slap Warren around by doing so, believe me, the political media would have dragged every Native they could find in front of a camera. The fact that they didn't is itself instructive.

:/

gonna leave that one but hopefully she discusses this stuff as little as humanly possible

https://www.google.com/amp/s/foreignpolicy.com/2017/05/22/the-seth-rich-scandal-shows-that-fox-news-is-morally-bankrupt/amp/

I think it was a judgment issue and not a character issue. She wasn’t trying to like appropriate their identity as a badge, she was defending herself from being called a lir for repeating some old family lore.

Trump highlighted the Cherokee Nation spokesperson I mentioned who mistakenly thought Warren was claiming tribal membership/probably didn’t see her video

Xpost exactly

The whole thing started with a toxic right wing myth of people lying to “use” affirmative action. Maybe some people have done this but the idea is popular among right wing types because they think it discredits diversity hiring.

It wasn’t her fault. The video she made also wasn’t as bad as people are making out now.

I think it was a judgment issue and not a character issue. She wasn’t trying to like appropriate their identity as a badge, she was defending herself from being called a lir for repeating some old family lore.

Spot on. She made a calculation to play Donald Trump's game, and you can't win Donald Trump's game because a) it's stupid and b) he will change the parameters anyway.

Never Let Your Opponent Set The Terms Of Debate.

Hopefully she or people around her get why it was a miscalculation.

It is weird how this stupid thing took off in the first place. It is literally nothing.

Just be thankful it happened last year instead of this one

Also she didn’t just “scrape by” to get a job as a law professor she was extremely accomplished. So the idea oofd her as like a C student checking a box with hopes of getting into Harvard is dumb as fuck.

Our country is so stupid.

She should have just spun it back on conservatives. This was about their paranoia about diversity initatives and nothing else.

can we not get back into this? Let's Move Forward.

Ooh there’s a slogan

A bad one but a slogan

So, will Bloomberg drop out before Iowa or wait until he comes in last place and then drop out?

my hope is that bloomberg spends $100 million and then gets 3% in iowa and then he makes a speech about how politics is broken bc he lost

lol

People take such umbrage at the idea of disinformation having had an effect on them yet Adomian exists, has a big platform, and pushed the most toxic kinds of that shit 24/7 and people justify defending him even beyond the normal maybe excusable human way of “yeah he’s a bad person but I like his funny voices”.

I dont know who that is

Cool I think that’s great

I agree with your general point that the seth rich conspiracy stuff is a scourge whoever it comes from

There are plenty of actual things hillary did that one can take exception to, I don’t know why people want to make shit up.

Yeah agreed. All I’m saying is people slightly upthread pretending to not know about it/unwilling to say someone they like is bad for actively pushing it is interesting and will probably have relevance as a case study going given how big a role disinfo plays.

for the record I don't care about james adomian *or* seth rich conspiracies, I was just confused why a funny voices guy was the subject of so many posts on the dem primary thread

Ok

It’s a “process issue”. I can respect that.

"There was one statement from the Cherokee nation but that person was under the misconception..."

fwiw the statement i read was a more fundamental critique, shaming her for reifying the idea that determinations of tribal identity are the territory of modern/western DNA science, what this has to do with the history of racism, etc. etc. none of this will determine her political future but it was helpful to think about as another reason she should not have framed the issue this way (and would not have, if she'd asked tribal representatives first, I think).

Thanks that was accurate assessment of the issue. And despite what Simon said above there were plenty of native activists unhappy with that dna test. For natives identity is wrapped up in notions of sovereignty and not blood quantum.

For natives identity is wrapped up in notions of sovereignty and not blood quantum.

That is no doubt 100% correct. But she never asserted tribal identity, only an historical family connection that included a lineal ancestor. By the time all this was filtered through the media, both the unapologetically partisan media and the simply ignorant media (which two sets describe all national political reporters), such distinctions that mean so much to tribal people get scrubbed away.

Any time this issue comes up on here it gets pointed out that she never used DNA to assert tribal identity yet people seem to ignore it or miss it somehow. Maybe indicative of the pervasiveness if that media filtering or something deeper? idk, odd and perhaps worth thinking about.

again, the issue as i understand it, and as we're describing it here, is *linking* DNA to tribal identity, not *claiming* tribal identity.

But all she said was that she was part native american and had a cherokee ancestor. How is that different from me saying I’m part norwegian?

The lack of visibility of native americans is a major problem. I an sympathetic to their desire to not be instrumentalized to make a point. However, warren wasn’t trying to claim this identity for some kind of advantage; the dna test was about proving she wasn’t a liar. Trump made up that this was a big deal for warren.

It’s annoying how Trump—a lunatic—always ends up being able to shapebreality. His narratives are widely seen as lies, but then they just catch on.