2020 Democratic presidential primary

I don't like this derail.

neither do i but shakey is the one who brought up the term

i like warren though. i'll vote for her unless bernie runs, then i'll decide between them. i doubt anyone else who enters the race will have the same kind of progressive record as these two.

i recommend other american voters support the candidate they believe would best further the policies they think are right for the nation.

this is only true of political elections -- for american idol, go with the persona that "clicks" with you

I will only vote for Bernie Sanders if he makes it through the primary to the general and is on the ballot in my state. I'd prefer he watch from the sidelines and keep his legion of supporters motivated to do good work.

i think everyone should run and there should be a robust debate about the best direction/platform for the democratic party and then, at the convention, everyone comes together behind the winning candidate

in 2019 i aspire to purge my thinking from all forms of realpolitik

It makes me nervous to keep hearing Biden's name tossed around as a strong contender. He's on the wrong side of the fault line running through the party: much too old, with all his instincts conditioned by the politics of the late 20th century, not the present realities. It's the people under 50 who need a president to represent their interests, not the retirees/boomers. Smilin' Joe would be a centrist-moderate placeholder, who'd accomplish nothing remarkable.

yeah that is the candidate who makes the least sense to me

except for people who want a restoration of the obama years after this weird interregnum in which scar was president

Jfc i brought the term up because she is literally a teacher/professor known for publicly scolding people. Any other stupid connotations were brought by others.

Many xps

nah

Biden is the candidate for voters who feel alarmed by noise and change and yearn for the presidential equivalent of an old bathroom slippers.

i wonder if there is a pornhub subcategory for schoolmarms.

Biden also seems, among those who shouldn't run, to be the person most like to accurately assess the fact he shouldn't run. That's more than you can say for Bloomberg or Sanders.

but uh Bernie should run tho

He should back a much younger candidate.

All these AARP dudes should.

Bernie should pass the torch to Warren and let her run with it. The man is 900 years old.

This is otm imo particularly re her weaknesses w independents and minorities, and her not having a good handle on countering trump’s bullshit https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/12/31/elizabeth-warrens-chances-broken-down/?utm_term=.86396d9cc967

i’d agree, were there a decent one to back

Yes, woe is us. We have the deepest bench of strong candidates of our lifetimes, and we just brought a bunch of true progressives into the house and are looking to do the same in the senate in 2020, but Bernie is the only "decent" one. gtfo

Bernie is an angry hooker scolding his johns. Am i doing this right?

if bernie wore less makeup he might be able to muster a bit of schoolmarm appeal

STOP 👏 SLUT-SHAMING 👏 BERNIE 👏

His voice is too deep and affected, this is why no one wanted to fuck Bea Arthur.

RIP

otm. i don't agree with it, but it's just the reality.

the emasculating trope Bernie Sanders falls under is more "Alex Portnoy's mom"

honestly, the DNC needs more psychoanalytic literary theorists on staff. i doubt they're picking up on 1/2 of this.

Bill Clinton did well because independent voters felt like they could share a beej with him

I haven't eaten today

did you mean beef?

I made/folded 90 vegan DUMPLINGS! yesterday from scratch and now am drinking chateauneuf blanc because I am done for the rest of the year. And I am still annoyed at cheap shots at women that are infinitely more qualified as candidates than most men who have been elected.

“Yes, woe is us. We have the deepest bench of strong candidates of our lifetimes, and we just brought a bunch of true progressives into the house and are looking to do the same in the senate in 2020, but Bernie is the only "decent" one. gtfo”
― Johnny Fever, Monday, December 31, 2018 11:02

It’s less frustrating when you realize that people who say that are (generally) just a particular variety of low info voter

Treesh consistently otm as ever

i think this is good point. warren is going to be difficult to attack in the primaries (and so are many others for the same reason!)

This bears mentioning in an even larger context - whatever Trump says about ANY candidate will automatically take that critique off the table. The guy is so loathed that "you are parroting Donald Trump's talking points" will be an effective push back every time. https://t.co/AOaEh3Vjt8

— Thomas C. Bowen (@thomascbowen) December 31, 2018

I’ve seen too many variations on “candidate x will be obliterated by a single nickname our unpopular president tags him/her with”

Yerac OTM about someone younger. The thing that makes Beto most palatable to me is that he's not old enough to be receiving Social Security.

Bernie should pass the torch to Warren and let her run with it. The man is 900 years old.

What do you see as the key differences?

thread on that

Liz Warren is from the tradition of Brandeis: she's a progressive (in the original meaning of the word) who wants to limit corporate power. To her, the problem isn't capitalism per se: the threat is the concentration of power and capital.

Bernie is from the tradition of Debs.

— Gritty 2020🔥 (@maxberger) December 31, 2018

A friend compared her to Brandeis a few years ago, an OTM comparison.

that thread also makes the point that the difference is negligible from the POV of a general election voter, but it's a big deal in terms of goals and tactics

How is Bernie in the tradition of Debs?

Not much support is provided for that thesis in the thread, in terms of specific policies, votes, methods that distinguish the two politicians. I'm genuinely curious where you would expect them to differ on those more concrete things.

the most useful tweet in that discussion thread imo

And Beto is from the tradition of Mao. The only candidate who understands the need for a global proletariat to combat US capitalist imperialism.

— we're going to abolish ICE (@SeanMcElwee) December 31, 2018

Lol

haha

has bernie ever said he wants to abolish capitalism? i'm not sure i see how "a progressive who wants to limit corporate power" applies to warren but not to him.