2020 Democratic presidential primary

to be clear I'm just evaluating her electoral prospects to the best of my ability, not making a judgment about whether or not she would be a good president. (I'm sure she would and of course I would vote for her)

i don't have a perception of what would play with the electorate. to me, trump seems like a clown from the circus but he had mass appeal

maybe people actually do desire a strict "schoolmarm" subconsciously but hillary wasn't the right one

who can say?

i don't have a perception of what would play with the electorate. to me, trump seems like a clown from the circus but he had mass appeal

Trump had appeal to just enough bitter, rage-addicted assholes in three normally-otherwise-inconsequential states to squeak into the White House. He has never, ever had majority public support, and he never will. People keep confusing the fact that he's president due to Electoral College fuckery with the totally fictional idea that "Americans like Donald Trump and anyone who wants to unseat him must appeal to and win over his voters." Trump supporters are not average Americans and should not be taken as any kind of electoral baseline. They are a weird, creepy cult that miraculously (for them)/horrifyingly (for everyone else) scored one big victory, and have notched L after L on the local and state levels ever since. Will Elizabeth Warren appeal to average Americans? Who can say? I think maybe, yeah. The real question - the only question that matters - is, will enough average normal Americans turn up in November 2020 to overpower the Trump death cultists at the polls.

yeah i agree with that

i still think 40% of america is mass appeal. i doubt i'd pull in those kinds of approval numbers if i polled everyone who had ever met me

will enough average normal Americans turn up in November 2020 to overpower the Trump death cultists at the polls

I would guess no, she is not going to drive the necessary record turnout from African Americans, latinos, and young people that will be necessary to overcome the deathcult's electoral advantages

i think she would do well with young people. she is earnest and in favor of the economic policies that drew them to bernie more or less (even if her proposals end up being slightly more pragmatic, watered down versions). with minority voters, is there evidence she would do badly?

well she won't get the native american vote lol

i am not even sure if that's true

I think you're wrong, Outic, and here's why: the most recent midterm elections were a symbolic/metaphorical anti-Trump vote, and that turned out pretty well overall. The 2020 election will be a LITERAL anti-Trump vote, and polls indicate that at least 60% of Americans HATE Donald Trump. And how many of them do you think are gonna change their minds in the next two years? Yeah, me either.

Only three key states have to flip back in the blue column to send Trump packing. Any dem candidate, Warren or whoever, is going to have to dig in to PA, WI, and MI and get those dem voters who stayed home or gambled with Trump to come out and do the right thing in 2020. I'd be surprised if a single state that Hillary won in 2016 moves to the red column for any reason.

Basically, playing the "will Warren appeal to groups X, Y and Z" game implies that the other choice is a blank slate. It's not. The other choice is Donald fucking Trump. If you don't think that in itself gives Warren (or any Democrat) a huge boost, you're crazy.

schoolmarm

maaaaaaarm

i wonder if there is a pornhub subcategory for schoolmarms.

only head mistress tags. FYI

Dommed By Mature Schoolmarm

a new market

if she wants to shake off this perception she should take up skateboarding and vaping

honestly i don't know what a schoolmarm is unless it just means "woman"

i looked up costumes. Think Mary Poppins not having fun.

honestly, i could see that persona working in national politics

Right-wingers are obsessed with cuckold fantasies, I bet they would jizz in their pants over a strict schoolmistress emasculating them and sleeping with their wife. Like, metaphorically or whatever.

i mean, gross

but it's definitely being focus grouped right now by someone

I don't like this derail.

neither do i but shakey is the one who brought up the term

i like warren though. i'll vote for her unless bernie runs, then i'll decide between them. i doubt anyone else who enters the race will have the same kind of progressive record as these two.

i recommend other american voters support the candidate they believe would best further the policies they think are right for the nation.

this is only true of political elections -- for american idol, go with the persona that "clicks" with you

I will only vote for Bernie Sanders if he makes it through the primary to the general and is on the ballot in my state. I'd prefer he watch from the sidelines and keep his legion of supporters motivated to do good work.

i think everyone should run and there should be a robust debate about the best direction/platform for the democratic party and then, at the convention, everyone comes together behind the winning candidate

in 2019 i aspire to purge my thinking from all forms of realpolitik

It makes me nervous to keep hearing Biden's name tossed around as a strong contender. He's on the wrong side of the fault line running through the party: much too old, with all his instincts conditioned by the politics of the late 20th century, not the present realities. It's the people under 50 who need a president to represent their interests, not the retirees/boomers. Smilin' Joe would be a centrist-moderate placeholder, who'd accomplish nothing remarkable.

yeah that is the candidate who makes the least sense to me

except for people who want a restoration of the obama years after this weird interregnum in which scar was president

Jfc i brought the term up because she is literally a teacher/professor known for publicly scolding people. Any other stupid connotations were brought by others.

Many xps

nah

Biden is the candidate for voters who feel alarmed by noise and change and yearn for the presidential equivalent of an old bathroom slippers.

i wonder if there is a pornhub subcategory for schoolmarms.

Biden also seems, among those who shouldn't run, to be the person most like to accurately assess the fact he shouldn't run. That's more than you can say for Bloomberg or Sanders.

but uh Bernie should run tho

He should back a much younger candidate.

All these AARP dudes should.

Bernie should pass the torch to Warren and let her run with it. The man is 900 years old.

This is otm imo particularly re her weaknesses w independents and minorities, and her not having a good handle on countering trump’s bullshit https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/12/31/elizabeth-warrens-chances-broken-down/?utm_term=.86396d9cc967

i’d agree, were there a decent one to back

Yes, woe is us. We have the deepest bench of strong candidates of our lifetimes, and we just brought a bunch of true progressives into the house and are looking to do the same in the senate in 2020, but Bernie is the only "decent" one. gtfo

Bernie is an angry hooker scolding his johns. Am i doing this right?