US Politics December 2018: ~very legal and very cool~

SHE’S RUNNING

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbH0RU4GcVo

Squad, assume circular formation and commence firing!

good. she'd be a good president.

my thinking since early 2017 was that the 2020 Dem ticket would be Biden/Warren but i guess Beto/Harris is the new fashionable bet

good luck usa

i mean biden would be 82 at the end of his first term but maybe that's an actual selling point for the right

I don’t think either of those are more likely than Harris/A White Man

i have a hard time believing the dems are going to double down on a female nominee in the face of a second term of Trump
but of course, I (and everyone else) don't know anything about anything in this brave new world and every assumption that was bedrock crumbles in unexpected new ways virtually every day
happy new year

If Biden runs, he'll crash and burn after the first wave of primaries, like he always does. He's the only person who wants him to be president. Well, except for journalists, and they only want him because he's fun to hang around with, so fuck what they think.

i'd happily vote for professor warren, just like i did hillary. but they'd crooked-hillarize witch hunt the shit out of "pocahontas" in a way that would give "conservatives" cover for voting donnie 'lesser of two evils' moscow

men should be banned from running for president

worth a shot tbh

The right wing noise machine doesn’t have the decades of history poisoning the well for Warren or Harris or Gillebrand or whomever like they did for HRC. Her negatives weren’t the result of two years of campaigning.

but they'd crooked-hillarize witch hunt the shit out of "pocahontas" in a way that would give "conservatives" cover for voting donnie 'lesser of two evils' moscow

they'd do this to anyone. warren has one of the cleanest records, seemingly.

she is a completely different kind of figure than hillary, who had been around for like 20 years and for that entire time had been one of the leading devils in the conservative fever dream.

or silby otm

i predict warren carries all 50 states in the general

men should be banned from running for president

rogermexico should be banned from this thread

favorite deleted presidential tweet of the day. l=e=a=d=e=r=s=h=i=p

realDonaldTrump: I'm in the Oval Office. Democrats, come back from vacation now and give us the votes necessary for Border Security, including the Wall. You voted yes in 2006 and 3013. One more yes, but with me in office, I'll get it built, and Fast!

it's the year 3030, and here at the corporate institutional bank of time

deltrump 3030

People will be shocked how quickly and easily Warren effectively becomes the new Hillary in terms of being a reviled figure but ultimately she could still carry it. A slightly less unpopular figure could have won in 2016

We Americans have a talent for making women unpopular quickly.

http://i63.tinypic.com/1570zy8.png

100th anniversary of women 'earning' the right to vote in the US of A. don't blow this, democrats!

she ain't running on bipartisanship and is actually naming specific issues so whatever, she's got my support

i don't think the candidate needs to be a woman. however, if liberals back away from a candidate like warren because they are afraid of how easily she could be demonized by sexists, then they are making a decision based on cowardice.

you can't let these people define what an acceptable persona is for a presidential candidate. it's enough.

Kerry is a completely different kind of figure than Gore, who had been around for like 10 years and for that entire time had been one of the leading devils in the conservative fever dream.

Next year will be the 45th anniversary of US women being allowed credit cards and mortgages on their own. Let's not go asking for too much too fast, ya'll.

Agreed but I’m sympathetic to that nervousness since no one really knows how much of it is a liability plus (though anecdotal) I’ve heard from a couple of women who just would rather not have to deal w it in that discourse of a presidential race again.

Xpost Treesh’s post

thing is, warren has a claim to being the most qualified candidate in the race plus she is a popular senator in her state

being 'qualified' means nothing now, if it ever did

Being a truly post Obama figure helps too compared to the optics of running the person he beat.

i don't see her as being at all similar to hillary or john kerry

hate to be that guy but there's a whole thread for this

There was some skepticism over “qualified” having objective value in 2016 that has since been field tested

rogermexico should be banned from this thread

if liberals back away from a candidate like warren because they are afraid of how easily she could be demonized by sexists, then they are making a decision based on cowardice.

I would LOVE to be proven wrong about that though! I would pour champagne!

cowardice is the american brand.

it shouldn't be though. she should run and do it her way without listening to the focus-group types.

An interesting Twitter thread (which will apparently be deleted tomorrow, so read now):

1. I would just add one thing to this very good thread. (Check out Greg's book!) The question regularly comes up: how conscious is this on Trump's part? To what extent is it a strategy, something he is choosing? Is he trying to deceive us or has he just deceived himself? https://t.co/oVAznNr55o

— David Roberts (@drvox) December 30, 2018

Yes, thread is good. We the people need to own the fact that we let this happen.

if there’s one thing america is good at, it’s honest self-reflection about national shortcomings and taking rational action to address those issues

There should be a national conversation about it. Preferably taking place entirely on social media.

We the people need to own the fact that we let this happen.

to repeat myself: having never watched presidential debates before, and watching every 2016 one live, I felt the bottom drop out of reality when there were "moderators" who just allowed him to spew nonsense and bullshit unchecked, not to mention float about the stage like a predatory, narcissistic balloon when the camera wasn't on him.

Jeremy Paxman should moderate all 2020 debates, with Daniel Dale in his earpiece.

Scare quotes very appropriately employed.

whoever the democratic candidate is should refuse to debate him unless some new, real-time fact-checking procedure is installed. not because i think it will make a difference to trump supporters, just because there is no real reason to repeat the farce of the 2016 debates.