2020 Democratic presidential primary

Even if you got the name right, probably better to avoid the “it’s not his government name!” Cruz campaign line entirely.

Not to say that overall the point you were making wasn’t valid

beto pronounced as heyo

beto pronounced as heyo and always accompanied by a blast of an air horn

Warren announced this morning. Well, announced that she's formed a committee, but that's just a formality.

I can't remember where, but I said months ago she'd be the only candidate to announce before January 1st, so where do I collect my winnings?

wherever you read Trump's tax returns

Rachel Maddow’s show, iirc

elizabeth warren would be an excellent president. i'm not sure how strong of a candidate she will be. i'll support either her or bernie.

she's a great Senator and a bad general election candidate imo, Hillary 2.0 persona-wise. By which I mean America isn't gonna go en masse for the angry schoolmarm schtick, even if her policy stances are generally leagues better than Hillary's.

My worry about Warren is that a lot of her positions require explanations that won't neatly fit into soundbytes and when you have the nightly news trying to cut them down, on top of Trump interrupting her every five seconds with something insane, the message won't be accurately delivered.

yeah well that is a problem with all the candidates

i'm not supporting a candidate on the basis of what i think the american voter would like. mostly because i don't understand anything about how they think about anything. i don't find warren to be an "angry schoolmarm," she strikes me as an accomplished law professor and a strong advocate for economic justice in the senate.

Yeah, me reading "angry schoolmarm" here or anywhere else gets a huge eyeroll. People who take issue with her tone were never going to vote for her anyway.

my point exactly

to be clear I'm just evaluating her electoral prospects to the best of my ability, not making a judgment about whether or not she would be a good president. (I'm sure she would and of course I would vote for her)

i don't have a perception of what would play with the electorate. to me, trump seems like a clown from the circus but he had mass appeal

maybe people actually do desire a strict "schoolmarm" subconsciously but hillary wasn't the right one

who can say?

i don't have a perception of what would play with the electorate. to me, trump seems like a clown from the circus but he had mass appeal

Trump had appeal to just enough bitter, rage-addicted assholes in three normally-otherwise-inconsequential states to squeak into the White House. He has never, ever had majority public support, and he never will. People keep confusing the fact that he's president due to Electoral College fuckery with the totally fictional idea that "Americans like Donald Trump and anyone who wants to unseat him must appeal to and win over his voters." Trump supporters are not average Americans and should not be taken as any kind of electoral baseline. They are a weird, creepy cult that miraculously (for them)/horrifyingly (for everyone else) scored one big victory, and have notched L after L on the local and state levels ever since. Will Elizabeth Warren appeal to average Americans? Who can say? I think maybe, yeah. The real question - the only question that matters - is, will enough average normal Americans turn up in November 2020 to overpower the Trump death cultists at the polls.

yeah i agree with that

i still think 40% of america is mass appeal. i doubt i'd pull in those kinds of approval numbers if i polled everyone who had ever met me

will enough average normal Americans turn up in November 2020 to overpower the Trump death cultists at the polls

I would guess no, she is not going to drive the necessary record turnout from African Americans, latinos, and young people that will be necessary to overcome the deathcult's electoral advantages

i think she would do well with young people. she is earnest and in favor of the economic policies that drew them to bernie more or less (even if her proposals end up being slightly more pragmatic, watered down versions). with minority voters, is there evidence she would do badly?

well she won't get the native american vote lol

i am not even sure if that's true

I think you're wrong, Outic, and here's why: the most recent midterm elections were a symbolic/metaphorical anti-Trump vote, and that turned out pretty well overall. The 2020 election will be a LITERAL anti-Trump vote, and polls indicate that at least 60% of Americans HATE Donald Trump. And how many of them do you think are gonna change their minds in the next two years? Yeah, me either.

Only three key states have to flip back in the blue column to send Trump packing. Any dem candidate, Warren or whoever, is going to have to dig in to PA, WI, and MI and get those dem voters who stayed home or gambled with Trump to come out and do the right thing in 2020. I'd be surprised if a single state that Hillary won in 2016 moves to the red column for any reason.

Basically, playing the "will Warren appeal to groups X, Y and Z" game implies that the other choice is a blank slate. It's not. The other choice is Donald fucking Trump. If you don't think that in itself gives Warren (or any Democrat) a huge boost, you're crazy.

schoolmarm

maaaaaaarm

i wonder if there is a pornhub subcategory for schoolmarms.

only head mistress tags. FYI

Dommed By Mature Schoolmarm

a new market

if she wants to shake off this perception she should take up skateboarding and vaping

honestly i don't know what a schoolmarm is unless it just means "woman"

i looked up costumes. Think Mary Poppins not having fun.

honestly, i could see that persona working in national politics

Right-wingers are obsessed with cuckold fantasies, I bet they would jizz in their pants over a strict schoolmistress emasculating them and sleeping with their wife. Like, metaphorically or whatever.

i mean, gross

but it's definitely being focus grouped right now by someone

I don't like this derail.

neither do i but shakey is the one who brought up the term

i like warren though. i'll vote for her unless bernie runs, then i'll decide between them. i doubt anyone else who enters the race will have the same kind of progressive record as these two.

i recommend other american voters support the candidate they believe would best further the policies they think are right for the nation.

this is only true of political elections -- for american idol, go with the persona that "clicks" with you

I will only vote for Bernie Sanders if he makes it through the primary to the general and is on the ballot in my state. I'd prefer he watch from the sidelines and keep his legion of supporters motivated to do good work.

i think everyone should run and there should be a robust debate about the best direction/platform for the democratic party and then, at the convention, everyone comes together behind the winning candidate

in 2019 i aspire to purge my thinking from all forms of realpolitik

It makes me nervous to keep hearing Biden's name tossed around as a strong contender. He's on the wrong side of the fault line running through the party: much too old, with all his instincts conditioned by the politics of the late 20th century, not the present realities. It's the people under 50 who need a president to represent their interests, not the retirees/boomers. Smilin' Joe would be a centrist-moderate placeholder, who'd accomplish nothing remarkable.

yeah that is the candidate who makes the least sense to me

except for people who want a restoration of the obama years after this weird interregnum in which scar was president