2020 Democratic presidential primary

This article makes me think Warren has lost already: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-sen-elizabeth-warren-is-courting-black-voters-and-their-leaders-as-her-expected-2020-presidential-announcement-nears/

And I like Warren a lot. Policy wise by far my favorite candidate. But yeah. She'll make a good cabinet member?

She should stay in the Senate, get in line for a leadership position imo

^^^

she could be maj leader imo

Isn't she too new in the senate to get that far in the line for any kind of leadership position?

p sure she could stab schumer

Bring back vicious beatings on the senate floor

Isn't she too new in the senate to get that far in the line for any kind of leadership position?

Senate committees are run purely on the basis of seniority. Party leadership positions in the Senate, e.g. majority whip, are elected within the party caucus. Any senator capable of attracting wide support may occupy those positions.

Yeah relationships and events and the makeup of the caucus are significant factors, in addition to seniority

see how easy that was, Richard?

Even with the Affordable Care Act, our health care system still needs fixing. There are nearly 30 million Americans who still don’t have health insurance and plenty more who have insurance but can’t actually afford the rising cost of health care. We need #MedicareForAll.

— Kamala Harris (@KamalaHarris) December 30, 2018

Richard?

Richard Harris obv, a better actor sometimes than a legislator

bernie needs to drop out to save the discourse

(richard = beto btw)

that's...beto is short for roberto

Huh, I thought it was short for Francis.

I believe I have noted in several places that I am a dumbass.

Even if you got the name right, probably better to avoid the “it’s not his government name!” Cruz campaign line entirely.

Not to say that overall the point you were making wasn’t valid

beto pronounced as heyo

beto pronounced as heyo and always accompanied by a blast of an air horn

Warren announced this morning. Well, announced that she's formed a committee, but that's just a formality.

I can't remember where, but I said months ago she'd be the only candidate to announce before January 1st, so where do I collect my winnings?

wherever you read Trump's tax returns

Rachel Maddow’s show, iirc

elizabeth warren would be an excellent president. i'm not sure how strong of a candidate she will be. i'll support either her or bernie.

she's a great Senator and a bad general election candidate imo, Hillary 2.0 persona-wise. By which I mean America isn't gonna go en masse for the angry schoolmarm schtick, even if her policy stances are generally leagues better than Hillary's.

My worry about Warren is that a lot of her positions require explanations that won't neatly fit into soundbytes and when you have the nightly news trying to cut them down, on top of Trump interrupting her every five seconds with something insane, the message won't be accurately delivered.

yeah well that is a problem with all the candidates

i'm not supporting a candidate on the basis of what i think the american voter would like. mostly because i don't understand anything about how they think about anything. i don't find warren to be an "angry schoolmarm," she strikes me as an accomplished law professor and a strong advocate for economic justice in the senate.

Yeah, me reading "angry schoolmarm" here or anywhere else gets a huge eyeroll. People who take issue with her tone were never going to vote for her anyway.

my point exactly

to be clear I'm just evaluating her electoral prospects to the best of my ability, not making a judgment about whether or not she would be a good president. (I'm sure she would and of course I would vote for her)

i don't have a perception of what would play with the electorate. to me, trump seems like a clown from the circus but he had mass appeal

maybe people actually do desire a strict "schoolmarm" subconsciously but hillary wasn't the right one

who can say?

i don't have a perception of what would play with the electorate. to me, trump seems like a clown from the circus but he had mass appeal

Trump had appeal to just enough bitter, rage-addicted assholes in three normally-otherwise-inconsequential states to squeak into the White House. He has never, ever had majority public support, and he never will. People keep confusing the fact that he's president due to Electoral College fuckery with the totally fictional idea that "Americans like Donald Trump and anyone who wants to unseat him must appeal to and win over his voters." Trump supporters are not average Americans and should not be taken as any kind of electoral baseline. They are a weird, creepy cult that miraculously (for them)/horrifyingly (for everyone else) scored one big victory, and have notched L after L on the local and state levels ever since. Will Elizabeth Warren appeal to average Americans? Who can say? I think maybe, yeah. The real question - the only question that matters - is, will enough average normal Americans turn up in November 2020 to overpower the Trump death cultists at the polls.

yeah i agree with that

i still think 40% of america is mass appeal. i doubt i'd pull in those kinds of approval numbers if i polled everyone who had ever met me

will enough average normal Americans turn up in November 2020 to overpower the Trump death cultists at the polls

I would guess no, she is not going to drive the necessary record turnout from African Americans, latinos, and young people that will be necessary to overcome the deathcult's electoral advantages

i think she would do well with young people. she is earnest and in favor of the economic policies that drew them to bernie more or less (even if her proposals end up being slightly more pragmatic, watered down versions). with minority voters, is there evidence she would do badly?

well she won't get the native american vote lol

i am not even sure if that's true

I think you're wrong, Outic, and here's why: the most recent midterm elections were a symbolic/metaphorical anti-Trump vote, and that turned out pretty well overall. The 2020 election will be a LITERAL anti-Trump vote, and polls indicate that at least 60% of Americans HATE Donald Trump. And how many of them do you think are gonna change their minds in the next two years? Yeah, me either.

Only three key states have to flip back in the blue column to send Trump packing. Any dem candidate, Warren or whoever, is going to have to dig in to PA, WI, and MI and get those dem voters who stayed home or gambled with Trump to come out and do the right thing in 2020. I'd be surprised if a single state that Hillary won in 2016 moves to the red column for any reason.

Basically, playing the "will Warren appeal to groups X, Y and Z" game implies that the other choice is a blank slate. It's not. The other choice is Donald fucking Trump. If you don't think that in itself gives Warren (or any Democrat) a huge boost, you're crazy.

schoolmarm

maaaaaaarm

i wonder if there is a pornhub subcategory for schoolmarms.

only head mistress tags. FYI

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