Idiocracy - new Mike Judge movie in superlimited release

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oh come on Hank's DAD is the racist! (plus maybe my favorite, Dale). Khan's just a social climber - he despises his neighbors for class reasons, not race ones.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 21:33 (seventeen years ago) link

it seems to me that your issue is with the white characters not acting like stereotypical Southern racists.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 21:35 (seventeen years ago) link

it's a basically white universe.

???

also, when I watched the show regularly(years back), Khan was the best character w/ the best lines.

kingfish moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 21:36 (seventeen years ago) link

enrique is a major character

adam beales did you ever seen the one where hank is worried hes a racist because ladybird keeps reacting violently to the repairman played by bernie mac? or the one with chris rock where bobby writes a bunch of 'black people drive like THIS!' jokes?

and what (ooo), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 21:37 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.geocities.com/arlen_texas/racistdawg.htm

PEGGY: I'll tell you something right now: We cannot afford to have that dog running amok, biting every black person she sees. It makes us look like a bunch of ignorant rednecks. Oh, and it's bad for black people too.

and what (ooo), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 21:38 (seventeen years ago) link

BUDDHA SACK: Hank's taking the racist test.
DONNA: Oh, wow. Is he a racist?
BUDDHA SACK: We don't know yet!

and what (ooo), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 21:38 (seventeen years ago) link

haha I totally just contradicted myself re: Khan and his "hillbillies" epithet lolz. Certainly Hank probably feels it as a racist insult, but Khan doesn't level his hillbilly epithet at just any white character (pretty sure there's tons of instances of him sucking up to RICH white characters).

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 21:39 (seventeen years ago) link

the Buddha Sack episode is teh roflz

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 21:39 (seventeen years ago) link

also samir in office space is saudi-american

and what (ooo), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 21:40 (seventeen years ago) link

samir's bit about how his name is totally easy to say is one of the funnier lines in that movie (also when he calls his bosses "cockgobblers")

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 21:42 (seventeen years ago) link

see also Michael Bolton's gangsta rappin in Office Space

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 21:42 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.geocities.com/arlen_texas/traffic.htm

BOBBY: You're so lucky, Connie, you're ethnic. Joseph and I are just nothing. We're just white and boring.
JOSEPH: Yeah.

and what (ooo), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 21:44 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't want the white characters to be a bunch of racist hillbillies. That'd be just as bad, if not worse. But the show's failure to split the difference always kinda bugged me. Compared to, say, All In the Family, I think it's weak-kneed.

Still, I'm not gonna argue this any further. I can't imagine it going well.

the new sincerity (Pye Poudre), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 21:44 (seventeen years ago) link

especially considering you seem to have never actually watched the show

and what (ooo), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 21:44 (seventeen years ago) link

BOBBY (doing his act based on the White Nationalist website): Okay, how many people here are lucky enough to be members of the Nordic subgroup of the Aryan race? Can I see some hands? (silence) Yeah, it's tough being a white man these days, it's tough. Folks, I'm so white, during the riots I went out and bought a television. (horrified gasps from the audience. Bobby taps the mike) Is this thing on?

and what (ooo), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 21:45 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm trying to think of when the show HAS had outright classic Southern racists, but that's been pretty much restricted to the characters who are clearly bozos/assholes (Hank's dad, probably Buck Strickland...?)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 21:45 (seventeen years ago) link

anyway, back to President Sean Camacho

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 21:46 (seventeen years ago) link

also the magazine guy in Office Space. i am going to watch idiocracy tonight.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 21:47 (seventeen years ago) link

hahaha right! "I'm not really a crackhead, I'm just an acting student"

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 21:48 (seventeen years ago) link

i think if anything mike judge has enough evidence of anti-racist stuff (no jus rhyme-o) to clear up any questions of intent in idiocracy, although its still really shitty & boring

though i can understand if, like adam beales, you have never actually paid any attention to anything hes done before, that the half-assed treatment of maya rudolph & scarface could seem like it (my big draw to the film = mike judge directs film starring maya rudolph & scarface)

and what (ooo), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 21:52 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm a big fan of KotH (at least up till about 3 years ago when they started repeating themselves a lot - I am glad they resisted the Simpsonsesque temptation to start visiting the Moon and give Hank a new zany job every week, though) and I am also a little disappointed that they've seldom acknowledged the heavily black population of Texas (not specifically East - Arlen moves around as the plot demands.)

I always thought that they should have a throwaway gag "Meanwhile, on the other side of town..." and quickly show a foursome of basically identical black dudes hanging out in their alley sippin' on beers, saying "yep" and then an equivalently imcoherent black-dude ramble from melanin-enhanced Boomhauer.

Candy: tastes like chicken, if chicken was a candy. (Austin, Still), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 21:56 (seventeen years ago) link

You're all morons.

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 22:07 (seventeen years ago) link

It's because we come from the future.

Candy: tastes like chicken, if chicken was a candy. (Austin, Still), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 22:08 (seventeen years ago) link

I did think the voiceover in this was really bad and clumsy - show, don't tell man.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 22:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Umm, I've watched TONS of King of the Hill, and what. Probably a hundred episodes, including almost every one quoted or mentioned so far.

I don't think it's actively racist in any way. I think it tries hard, in fact, to be progressive -- antiracist. But I have qualms about the ways it goes about this. While I think the show's aims are noble, I think it ends up sweeping the real face of racism under the rug. And for a show that attempts to present a semi-gritty, humane, morally honest view of life in suburban Texas, I think that's a mistake, though a small, harmless one.

I understand that you don't see it this way, and I have no problem with that.

But Idiocracy is another matter. Here, I think Judge isn't really in control of his feelings/ideas about the intersection of race, class and intellect. And I think he ends up shooting himself in the foot. Made it hard for me to enjoy the movie. Why, for instance, do so many white people in the film have Hispanic names? What's the point?

the new sincerity (Pye Poudre), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 22:12 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm serious: you're all fucking morons.

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 22:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, I'm sure that's true. As true, at least, as it is helpful.

Oh, and strike every instance of the phrase "I think" in ppg 2 of my last post. It'll reduce the impression of moronism by at least 10%.

And out (again).

the new sincerity (Pye Poudre), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 22:15 (seventeen years ago) link

"Why, for instance, do so many white people in the film have Hispanic names?"

uh cuz they're actually Hispanic (ie, part of the currently largest and fastest growing ethnic group in the US)?

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 22:17 (seventeen years ago) link

So, the film's none-too-subtle characterization of the relentlessly stupid future as pervasively Hispanic is not troubling in the least?

the new sincerity (Pye Poudre), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 22:21 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't think anyone's pointed this out, but... "race isn't exactly a non-issue in East Texas" - King of the Hill doesn't appear to be set in East Texas. It's somewhere between DFW and Austin. Like a more rural/less citified Arlington or Waco with a different name.

milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 22:22 (seventeen years ago) link

and what otm

N.i.c.o.l.e (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 22:23 (seventeen years ago) link

"So, the film's none-too-subtle characterization of the relentlessly stupid future as pervasively Hispanic is not troubling in the least?"

Honestly, given that the film rather clumsily and literally maps out how the future became populated by the profoundly stupid with no mention of race/ethnicity, it didn't even occur to me.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 22:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Full disclosure: I watched Idiocracy with some more-or-less apolitical Hispanic people, and there wasn't much laughter in the room. Now, maybe I wouldn't have noticed so much if I'd watched the film alone, or with white or black people...

But the moron-future in this film looked, felt and sounded an awful lot like Tijuana/East LA.

the new sincerity (Pye Poudre), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 22:27 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't wanna get bogged down in debate.

blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 22:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, I know. I try to get out, but they keep dragging me back in.

the new sincerity (Pye Poudre), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 22:29 (seventeen years ago) link

lack of laughs may have been due to its not being all that funny...? I mean I laughed at various things but I definitely grew tired of it.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 22:29 (seventeen years ago) link

No, I mean they were kinda offended by what they saw as a "moron = hispanic" angle. And I couldn't really deny it.

the new sincerity (Pye Poudre), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 22:31 (seventeen years ago) link

well get them to post on this thread then

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 22:33 (seventeen years ago) link

i can't imagine you hanging out with hispanics

cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 22:33 (seventeen years ago) link

or anyone

blotter Budweiser Hackeysadk (nickalicious), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 22:33 (seventeen years ago) link

But the moron-future in this film looked, felt and sounded an awful lot like Tijuana/East LA.

deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 22:37 (seventeen years ago) link

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deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 22:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Hey, good job y'all. You've moved up to the third grade.

***

Now, you look at a film full of outlandishly stereotypical depictions of moronic Hispanics, where half the seemingly white morons have Hispanic last names, set in a bombed-out, stereotypically third-world wasteland with a suspicious resemblance to certain Mexican/American border towns ... and you don't see even the slightest hint of passive, unconscious racism.

That's fine. I can accept that. But I don't understand why we can't have a civil discussion (hell, even a civil disagreement) about it.

the new sincerity (Pye Poudre), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 22:58 (seventeen years ago) link

'Civil,' you say.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 22:58 (seventeen years ago) link

welcome to ILE!

I've been to Tijuana and didn't see a specific resemblance. I mean mountains of trash look the same all over, whether they be in Calcutta or Botswana or Mexico City. The name thing I honestly took no notice of beyond it being a "in the future miscegenation will be common" kind of aside.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 23:00 (seventeen years ago) link

"mountains of trash look the same all over, whether they be in Calcutta or Botswana or Mexico City

Yeah, but that brings up something else. Are Calcutta, Botswana and Mexico City in the state they're in due to the fact that their inhabitants are all morons? I mean, what's the implication?

the new sincerity (Pye Poudre), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 23:03 (seventeen years ago) link

well that's one of the flaws in the film, that its basic premise doesn't make any sense (stupidity by itself /= catastrophic waste. that kind of culture requires someone somewhere up the chain whose smarter and making $$$$ off the waste). I just didn't recognize an explicitly ethnic connection. Perhaps I am wrong and am just being a dumb white guy... I don't know, it just didn't register with me.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 23:25 (seventeen years ago) link

MOVIE STUDIO HEROICALLY SUPRESSES RACIST MOVIE

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 23:37 (seventeen years ago) link

20TH CENTURY FOX, CHAMPION OF THE UNDERDOG

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 23:43 (seventeen years ago) link

It's times like these that I realise that I'm still a cynic.
"in the land of the blind, the man with one eye is king."
I've long though it's more "In the land of the blind, the man with one eye is burned at the stake/institutionalised."

Lukewarm Watery G. Tornado Is Sicker Than You (The GZeus), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 23:54 (seventeen years ago) link


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