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"Really the best way to watch the first two movies is that 7 hour long thing (The Godfather Epic) they did for NBC where they put them all in chronological order and added an hour or so of outtakes".

OTM

― ArfArf, Thursday, 22 January 2004 12:18 (twenty-two years ago)

The first one. Brando is actually everything.

― @lex K (Alex K), Thursday, 22 January 2004 13:07 (twenty-two years ago)

:0( I still haven't finished watching the first one. We bought the triliogy on dvd, and sat down one night to watch the first one, but we got tired, and it was dragging a little, and we still (4 months or so later) haven't sat down to finish it, and move on to II.

― Vicky (Vicky), Thursday, 22 January 2004 13:10 (twenty-two years ago)

the bit of the first one with the baptism was the best bit out of all 3.

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 22 January 2004 15:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Part II is nothing but a beatiifully shot but very dull three-hour re-iteration of everything that was made transparently obvious in the last ten minutes of Part I. The De Niro parts are excellent, but also, I think, kind of cheesy.

― Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Thursday, 22 January 2004 21:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Plus, no Jimmy Caan

― Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Thursday, 22 January 2004 21:24 (twenty-two years ago)

And Lee Strasberg is an ever bigger ham than Alex Rocco.

― Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Thursday, 22 January 2004 21:26 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...

the second one is really messy!

it's a testament to something that despite the mess it's still so highly regarded.

― cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 18:47 (twenty-two years ago)

james caan is in the second one.

― cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 18:48 (twenty-two years ago)

1 ends magnificently; I was blown away by the doo slowly swinging shut with the theme playing above it.

The second is more powerful though; the shooting of Fredo is very good and I thought a nice contrast with killing Don Ciccio; it starts with killing a bad guy who nobody misses. It ends with killing your brother. I hated Michael after that.

― Dave B (daveb), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 18:58 (twenty-two years ago)

that was fredo?! in the boat? he didn't have a tache! plus he disowned him about 30mins prev. I don't get it.

― cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 19:00 (twenty-two years ago)

coppolla's narrative grasp is squirty.

― cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 19:01 (twenty-two years ago)

"You broke my heart"

― Broheems (diamond), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 20:51 (twenty-two years ago)

i always watch I & II back to back .

― kephm, Tuesday, 16 March 2004 20:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I love how effective that phrase is when not used between lovers.

― cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 20:53 (twenty-two years ago)

i hated the 2nd. i watch all 3 for the 1st time about 1 month ago.
there was too much going on i think it should have been 2 movies.
+ shooting fredo at the end ruined everything. it was worse than the 3rd.

― dyson (dyson), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 20:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Part II is just, well, boring!

― Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 21:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Can I just say: "Leave the gun. Take the cannoli".

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 21:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I love how effective that phrase is when not used between lovers.

Yeah, right?

― ModJ (ModJ), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 21:23 (twenty-two years ago)

you broke my heart.

― cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 21:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the only film I've seen more often than I and II is The Wizard of Oz. But it's pretty close. If I'm flipping channels and notice one of the Godfather epics, I'll watch a scene or two or three, maybe four or five.
I liked the first one the best. Um, no, the second one. Wait a minute - the first one. Yeah, that's it. Aw damn.

― jim wentworth (wench), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 03:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I've never seen any of the Godfathers. (Or Goodfellas or Casino)

Even though I know the first is supposed to be the greatest film of all time and everything, I just have no desire to see it, but I can't figure out why.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 03:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Pick up the book while you figure it out; it's a great pulpy read.

― m.e.a. (m.e.a.), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 04:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Weekend at Bernie's 2.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 04:18 (twenty-two years ago)

five months pass...

ok, so why does michael have a black mark on his cheek for the 2nd half of the movie?

― kephm (kephm), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:47 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe its just time to clean my television screen

― kephm (kephm), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Was this after the cop punched him?

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:51 (twenty-one years ago)

yes , this is what i thought, but doesnt a whole of time go by when michael is hiding out in italy?

― kephm (kephm), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:54 (twenty-one years ago)

His jaw never set back correctly.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 27 August 2004 18:00 (twenty-one years ago)

ok, seems like an odd place to bruise, but that makes sense.

― kephm (kephm), Friday, 27 August 2004 18:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I prefer the first since it works as a stand-alone but II is possibly the best sequel ever (starts slow but has astonishing power by the end). As much as I love the catchphrases and moments that III gave everybody, it's embarassing that the thing exists.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 27 August 2004 18:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Godfather II, if only for the Fredo breakdown scene in the conservatory.

― 57 7th (calstars), Friday, 27 August 2004 18:10 (twenty-one years ago)

In Part I: the "I like to drink wine more than I used to..." part

In Part II: I always liked the end of Frankie Five Angels with Tom in the prison yard.

― Jimmy Mod, Man About Towne (ModJ), Friday, 27 August 2004 19:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I'M SMART!!!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 27 August 2004 21:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha, yeah. While Michael just ignores him.

― Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Friday, 27 August 2004 21:49 (twenty-one years ago)

they're both great, but I prefer the second one. Deeper in every way. I like the scene in Miami when Hyman Roth asks Michael if he watches the baseball...not so much, Michael says. And the way Lee Strasberg has his leg over the arm of the chair.

― eddie hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 28 August 2004 17:30 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...

cozen is otm, wtf @ the plotting of II?

the deniro bits are straightforward enough. childlike, really.

but can anyone come out here and explain the rest of it?

there are two brothers michael is trying to shake down in vegas? and hyman roth is in cahoots with them, possibly? but hyman claims to be on michael's side?

they try to kill michael, and try to pin it on the old guy back from new york.

and then they try to kill that old guy, and tell him it's on michael's orders (this is confusing, because maybe it is michael!).

er, and at some undisclosed point the feds investigate the corleone family and they have to go to court.

i think i would have liked a godfather 1.5, in which vito and mo green (=bugsy siegel?) and hyman roth build up their empire of crime. i guess roth is coming out of chicago?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 09:49 (twenty years ago)

they're both pretty overrated.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 11:59 (twenty years ago)

II.

Brando's performance is mostly hammy crap. And if you ever see I in a theater, Diane Keaton's assorted hairstyles draw gales of laughter.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 14:51 (twenty years ago)

morbius, what is the plot of II?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 14:52 (twenty years ago)

i saw it last night. but seriously, what the fuck at the senate committee etc?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 14:52 (twenty years ago)

JD OTM

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:04 (twenty years ago)

A man builds his family with murder, his son destroys it with murder.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:08 (twenty years ago)

They really go a lot of convoluted ways to make that point though, in fairness.

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:10 (twenty years ago)

i'd rather they made it about organized crime really -- roth, ie meyer lansky, would be a good subject for a biopic. if 'family' is the plot of 'GF2', why fanny about with cuba and the senate hearings &c?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:25 (twenty years ago)

They really go a lot of convoluted ways to make that point

Not compared to III!

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:27 (twenty years ago)

This is heretical, but fuck it: Brando was 10 times funnier, warmer, and more human in The Freshman, in which he parodied Don Corleone.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:30 (twenty years ago)

And Lee Strasberg is an ever bigger ham than Alex Rocco.

does "ham" mean "jew"?

kidding.

I loved Strasberg in 2, the scene where he's talking about Moe Green (Siegel), not getting a plaque and all that...

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:43 (twenty years ago)

Alfred OTM

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:43 (twenty years ago)

"Brando was 10 times funnier, warmer, and more human in The Freshman"

right, but don corleone isn't a funny, warm, or human kinda guy.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 15:47 (twenty years ago)

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weird bit of crossover content in The Irishman/The Offer (based on a cursory scan of storylines, haven't seen the latter)

― omar little, Monday, 27 February 2023 17:20 (three years ago)

What was it? I must have missed that.

― clemenza, Tuesday, 28 February 2023 00:03 (three years ago)

By the end, I think the best, most natural performance might have been Jake Cannavale as Caesar. When I saw the name I assumed he was Bobby's son (he is); also Sidney Lumet's grandson.

― clemenza, Tuesday, 28 February 2023 00:08 (three years ago)

Joe Colombo's attempted assassination was shown during The Irishman, as was the hit on Joe Gallo by the titular Irishman. different contexts, obv. the former was this dreamlike & grisly slo-mo shooting.

― omar little, Tuesday, 28 February 2023 00:47 (three years ago)

There's a clean-looking print of Crazy Joe (Peter Boyle) on YouTube; I've never seen it, will watch soon.

― clemenza, Tuesday, 28 February 2023 01:18 (three years ago)

The Halson show was fine. I admired Ewan McGregor's commitment to it.

― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 February 2023 01:20 (three years ago)

When I saw the name I assumed he was Bobby's son (he is)

didn't he also play Bobby's son in Nurse Jackie? I remember him being good in that

― his cartoon heart expands, then he relaxes by smoking crack (stevie), Tuesday, 28 February 2023 09:08 (three years ago)

one month passes...

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— mouse (@punchedrunk) April 21, 2023

― fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Friday, 21 April 2023 18:05 (three years ago)

(Open tweet for the full joke)

― fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Friday, 21 April 2023 18:06 (three years ago)

nine months pass...

why do I find it so funny when Tattaglia is seen meticulously grooming himself during the meeting of the 5 Families

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Sunday, 18 February 2024 18:38 (two years ago)

Maybe that's what the Don meant when he said Tattaglia's a pimp

― JRN, Sunday, 18 February 2024 18:48 (two years ago)

Lol I actually think it is

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Sunday, 18 February 2024 19:25 (two years ago)

Watched this with mom tonight in honor of dad

It never gets old.

You're not a wartime consigliere, Tom

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, 19 February 2024 04:42 (two years ago)

(masked and very very distanced of course)

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, 19 February 2024 04:42 (two years ago)

It's gotten old. That was all decided last year.

― clemenza, Monday, 19 February 2024 05:15 (two years ago)

CLEMENZA

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, 19 February 2024 05:23 (two years ago)

Anyway watching this tonight was a blessing.

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, 19 February 2024 05:24 (two years ago)

always a good call <3

― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 19 February 2024 06:07 (two years ago)

Part II at Regal cinemas in the US for $5 this week

― bae (sic), Monday, 19 February 2024 09:12 (two years ago)

WAHT

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, 19 February 2024 15:01 (two years ago)

Part II at Regal cinemas in the US for $5 this week.

― bae (sic), Monday, 19 February 2024 15:59 (two years ago)

lol

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, 19 February 2024 15:59 (two years ago)

my offer is this:

nothing.

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, 19 February 2024 17:26 (two years ago)

I had the odd experience of watching II before I watched I. Anyway, I prefer the second, particularly the denouement. And the Fredo/Michael dynamic. Cazale is just devastating.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 19 February 2024 17:35 (two years ago)

one month passes...

"I am not resigning," Johnson said defiantly at a news conference Tuesday, calling the threat "absurd" as Republicans are "trying to do their job." "We need steady leadership. We need steady hands on the wheel," he said. "Look, I regard myself as a wartime speaker."

If he were a wartime speaker, a Sicilian, they wouldn't be in this shape.

― clemenza, Thursday, 18 April 2024 16:44 (two years ago)

nine months pass...

“Barzini's dead. So is Philip Tattaglia. Moe Greene, Strachi, Cuneo.”

― calstars, Monday, 20 January 2025 15:33 (one year ago)

Not sure if your post is hooked into the news of the day, but if so, this is the one for today:

"I don't fell I have to wipe everyone out, Tom--just my enemies."

― clemenza, Monday, 20 January 2025 17:20 (one year ago)

(Typo belongs to the Godfather transcript site, not me!)

― clemenza, Monday, 20 January 2025 17:24 (one year ago)

“I know English! Sunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Sunday Saturday”

― calstars, Tuesday, 21 January 2025 23:09 (one year ago)

five months pass...

https://bsky.app/profile/jaredwade.bsky.social/post/3ltkosq4kjs2z

― jaymc, Thursday, 10 July 2025 01:51 (ten months ago)

one month passes...

Rewatching II today

DeNiro/Young Vito’s brown coat w upturned collar & baggy cap outfit is so good

― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 17 August 2025 00:15 (nine months ago)

Also Michael should have checked NO on Anthony’s drawing & left it on his pillow with a note WHEN HAVE I WORN A FUCKING HAT

https://www.replicapropstore.com/cdn/shop/products/20210122153705858_1024x1024.png?v=1612278966

― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 17 August 2025 00:21 (nine months ago)

"Jesus, Anthony--you make me look like that guy from Breaking Bad."

― clemenza, Sunday, 17 August 2025 00:24 (nine months ago)

am i some kind of clown to you?

― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 17 August 2025 00:27 (nine months ago)

Wait, but Michael totally does wear a hat like that

― whimsical skeedaddler (Moodles), Sunday, 17 August 2025 00:30 (nine months ago)

He does wear a fedora, doesn't he?

https://i.postimg.cc/FF2Lt8pm/hat.jpg

― clemenza, Sunday, 17 August 2025 00:52 (nine months ago)

my joke works better if you all dont fact-check me

― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 17 August 2025 01:25 (nine months ago)

I was with you 100% at first; I glanced over to the spectator gallery and saw my long-lost brother from Sicily, at which point I folded like a cheap suit.

― clemenza, Sunday, 17 August 2025 01:33 (nine months ago)

lol <3

― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 17 August 2025 01:49 (nine months ago)

clemenza five-angels

― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 17 August 2025 01:50 (nine months ago)

five months pass...

One by one, our old friends are gone--of the principals, just Pacino and Shire left, I think.

― clemenza, Monday, 16 February 2026 22:28 (three months ago)

De Niro too

― jmm, Monday, 16 February 2026 22:55 (three months ago)

Duh--was focussed on the American family.

― clemenza, Tuesday, 17 February 2026 00:38 (three months ago)

one month passes...

I've got CNN on in the other room, and whoever's on just drew the perfect analogy to Trump showing up at the Supreme Court today: Michael at the Senate hearing when Pentangeli testifies. Did he have one of the Justice's siblings sitting next to him by any chance?

https://i.postimg.cc/zfspVfFz/pentangeli.jpg

― clemenza, Thursday, 2 April 2026 05:19 (two months ago)

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