Do you take drugs? Why?

Jon's point is even more tedious than those tokers who go on endlessly abt how mashed they got etc - like boozehounds never ever bore us with 'hilarious' tales of their drunken escapades?

But yeah, if you find they do nothing for you - don't take 'em! Leaves more for the rest of us!

Drug users=bores is true for all drugs unless you're actually intoxicated by that same drug (even then I found six silently reverent spins in a row of Chill Out hard to cope with). But it makes users annoyed so it works well as a point-scoring tactic. Coke users much much worse than anyone else to the non-coked mind, in my (still fairly limited) experience.

I think the reason stoners and stoner humour comes in for particular abuse is the have-their-cake-and-eat-it aspect - on the one hand pot is harmless nay beneficial and everybody does it nowadays so legalise it already, on the other hand they find it hard to let go of a certain counter-cultural smugness. This applies to 80s/90s stoner humour ("Adihash", the Pope Smokes Dope) more than to 60s/70s stuff like the Freak Bros. (cos they're funny!)

I got addicted because I found people, principally my friends, boring; other responsibilities such as work contributed, but not so much. I get a kick now from being straight because nearly all my friends are addicts, so I'm a freak. This is more entertaining than having a 'problem', and it satisfies my sense of morality. When I get drunk, as happened last night, I just 'don't count it.'

Regarding 'I don't take drugs because they're expensive': Drugs are so alluring and exciting that you have to shore yourself up almost moment by moment in order not to take them - you take drugs to combat boredom, so you have to have a pretty fucking rich intellectual and sensual life to compensate for being straight, and every amusing observation about how addicts suck is grist to the mill. For example, one of the witty calculations you can make while straight is to estimate the sushi meals your junkie friends miss out on every time they shoot fifty bucks up their arm. You see how it helps to compensate for your dull dedication to kindness and sobriety?

Anyone who drinks to get intoxicated is in no position to criticise drugs really. I would argue that a drunk person is far far far more annoying to a sober person than a stoned person or someone on Ecstacy. I don't have enough experience of coke.

It does piss off people who take drugs when people take the whole "wasting their lives" line. Who the fuck is anyone else to say what is and isn't a waste of a life. It's inverted peer pressure. How sad would it be if people who took drugs had digs at people who don't? I mean are we 15? But reverse the process and it seems to be fair game, inverted peer pressure.

Friends of mine who don't do drugs for whatever reason are constantly dropping snide remarks like "junkies" or grossly exaggerating about how high I was or whatever. Why do they bother? It's not out of concern. I don't want to say it's just bitterness, but often that's how it seems. I mean bitterness as a result of the exclusion drugs promote.

That is something about drugs I dislike. My friends who come out with us when we're taking pills or whatever are totally excluded. That's the nature of them. I feel bad about it but obviously not at the time. It's the same if everyones stoned. If you're not smoking you're not in on the (inevitably silly) joke.

Does anyone wear adihash t shirts besides 14 year olds who want people to think they smoke hash, or Cypress Hill fans?

what a cornucopia of lethal side-effects ensues!

I don't use anything else. I really hate dope evangelists.

i got caned last night but that was the first time in a year, and i probably won't do it again in a while. it screws with my ability to think for a couple of days in a way which, for example, a bad hangover doesn't, and that really pisses me off.

Rescue Remedy is best.

I'll do coke about once a month. Rarely buy it though. Usually a friend has some and shares in exchange for drinks or something. On the rare occassion that I buy it and stay up all night doing it much fun will be had but the next day is complete crap as I recover. The thought of the day after causes enough pause to usually keep me from doing it.

Have done speed a few times. Don't like it due to bad childhood associations. would never shoot up or do herion. Would like some caps or hash if I could find them. Love valiums. hmm.

My reasons why not are probably as much rationalizations (arrived at after I made the decision) as anything else -- stinky smells, users horribly boring when they go on about it, interferes with decision- making, easy way to get in more trouble than intended, etc. I'll never lecture anybody that *they* shouldn't do what they do, but I'd rather not be in the room when it happens (embarrassing panic attack often ensues). If that happens, I wind up feeling hideously guilty for weeks. What fun!

This sort of weirdly assumes that the point of drugs is to make people more entertaining to you. But general points:

(a) Bashing drugs based on the people who use them is a lot like bashing a band based on its fans. (AC/DC fans are by and large suck- monkeys, yes, and yet most ILMers are still fine with the music itself.)

(b) It's difficult to talk about "drugs" in general, since there are a lot of different ones and a lot of different ways to use them. Doing coke every weekend or pulling bong hits before going to work . . . these are entirely different things than smoking a solitary joint on a Saturday afternoon and doing a little reading. So I suppose I'm saying:

(c) Using non-ridiculous drugs the way the average person uses alcohol -- i.e., in appropriate settings, at appropriate times, and not to the extent that the actual business of living gets interrupted -- strikes me as a perfectly reasonable thing to do. So feel free to make fun of High Times subscribers, but don't generalize too much.

I suspect that some of the more virulent antidrug types are hopping themselves up on the adrenalin of righteous indignation.

I've tried pot 3 or 4 times, but never got any pleasure out of it; this is the only illegal drug I've ever tried. The other drugs have an unrealistic glamor for me because I've never tried them. However, I don't know anyone right now who is openly into drugs, who would be willing to share them with me, and given my life this is not likely to change in the near future.

I also drink alcohol regularly, and I agree with those who say that it too is a drug -- not to be a straight-edge killjoy, but to acknowledge that it has effects in small and large doses. (I also think sugar and corn syrup have psychoactive effects, and maybe should be regulated accordingly.)

Sometimes I think that alcohol could provide a framework for the decriminalization of drugs -- while some people fuck up their lives on alcohol, many more are capable of keeping it from overwhelming their lives. But a lot of Americans seem to operate on the principle of "NOTHING in moderation."

I drink though, and guzzle caffeine like a camel, except it's coffee and Mountain Dew and tea instead of water. Plus, camels got humps.

a divisive issue.

I would smoke pot more often (right now I almost never smoke) if it didn't have such a strong lingering after-effect on me.

what happens?

I feel like my brain gets soft.

ah. i think my brain is too hard, sometimes.

Yeah, maybe mine too.

There's also just the fact that the wife doesn't smoke, and it's kind of awkward to smoke around someone who doesn't.

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um, is that like, marijuana?

prpared to open ur mind?

free

There's also just the fact that the wife doesn't smoke, and it's kind of awkward to smoke around someone who doesn't.

So what? You just have to smoke a little so you're not out of your skull stoned. If my husband smokes alittle, I'm totally cool with it and can "ignore" it (delude myself he's not stoned). :-) It does get awkward when someone's really intoxicated (for me anyway). I kinda feel awkward and don't know what to do or am really... self-conscious.

i was ill

Have done many drugs; don't do anything regular now though, only alcohol. I only really dabble on special occasions.

I would totally smoke weed with Hurtin. We could listen to records and argue about the New Yorker and how much I think it sucks.

I said 'no' to drugs. They wouldn't listen.

i know they're so bloody pushy

I would totally smoke weed with Hurtin. We could listen to records and argue about the New Yorker and how much I think it sucks.

ian you should totally move to chicago. you'd dig it if you could get past the brutal winters and landlockedness.

i really love brutal winters, which is why i'm so curious about chicago

Weed was totally a gateway drug for me. I don't even take it anymore cos it started giving me the fear, but I still dabble in the Class As on occasion. And it got me addicted to tobacco.

Did way too many drugs growing up. All I can handle anymore is weed and even there I find myself wanting it after a long week of work but then, once I'm stoned, I often don't enjoy it. Just makes me think the stupidest thoughts or sloooows everything down to the point of ridiculousness. It can be fun to listen to music or sit around and watch a movie or something but forget about going out anywhere--it makes me too self-conscious!

i really love brutal winters, which is why i'm so curious about chicago

well you missed out because this winter was the worst one in the 8 years i've been here. really, really soulcrushingly depressing.

ugh i would have loved it. this sun is getting me down

Hey Surmounter, I'll trade you to Chicago for Kevin.

temporary, i would do

CHEMICALLY INDUCED SCHIZOPHRENIA REFINES THE CLUELESS INTO BRAIN-STARVED DEAD WHO HAVE TO RESORT TO UNREASONED RELIGION IN ORDER TO FEEL AS THOUGH THERE IS ANY LIFE LEFT IN THEM. THEY WILL ALSO TURN YOU NOT GAY. AND IF YOU ARE TOO HAPPY WITH YOUR LIFE THEY WILL RUNE U. ALSO THEY WILL BIND YOU TO WORD.

ugh i would have loved it. this sun is getting me down

you closet goth, you

ONCE YOU START YOU GOTTA STOP OR ELSE

AT LEAST THEYRE BETTER THAN SEX

haha maybe i should dabble in some goth fashion...

My friends used to use a lot of recreational drugs...there was a lot of pressure to use them. Didn't like any of them much...HATED ecstasy why it was so popular I'll never know. I had a nasty fight with one of my best friends over "recreational" drugs and my relationship has not been the same since.