― Vic, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Ally C, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― katie, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
If she mentioned her past weight to you it's obviously a sensitive point with her. Try not to obsess about it b/c she probably is. Whatever her shape is remember that it doesn't change the person you've gotten to know and like.
― Samantha, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Oh for heaven's sake, it's not that complicated. 14 pounds in a stone. 220 pounds = 15st 10lb.
― Nick, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Samantha's answer is sensible. It's an issue w/her - don't push it one way or the other yet.
― Tom, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Quite so. Size doesn't affect intelligence, humor, grace or how sexy a person is, to name just a few qualities. Don't worry and just go for it and see what happens.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Trevor, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― jess, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Without knowing any other factors, the woman as you describe her sounds like she's not significantly overweight from a medical perspective. (On my frame the numbers you cite would look like underweight.) However, she sounds like she's wrestling with cultural definitions of overweight, which, at an extreme, would seem to uphold 2 lbs. shy of organ failure as the model of beauty. I'm sorry to say that I have no idea how to talk people out of these concepts.
― j.lu, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Ed, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Blimey. Am I pigging out tonight!
― dave q, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Ronan, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
i personally will say that if i weighed between 150-170 lbs i'd be pretty happy. (nb, i'm five foot four.) i do often struggle with my own perception of how i look on the fat/overweight but eh/ok scale, with the answers usually resting somewhere in between the first two.
questions like this are totally hard, in part because the midsection of the 'fat' slope is more often than not fairly slippery and in part because saying 'i'm fat' is probably the most generic catch-all expression of dissatisfaction with one's appearance. (i know that i hear it a lot more than 'i'm ugly' - do you?) also there's the whole idea of attractiveness being the sum of more than just physical bits, and the sliding scale of what turns people on ... and and and ...
― maura, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
i appreciate all of your responses, even dave Q's (even though I can't do that since frankly, I can't just "fuck" one I might not be aroused by in the first place... enough performance anxiety here without that factor), but I liked Samantha's the best, since dolt that I am, only after reading that did it strike me that this really REALLY is a sensitive issue with her. D'oh ho ho, I don't care if she looks like Mrs. Santa Claus, I'm still going to meet her and be friends, if nothing more.
― maryann, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
instead of bitches, could everyone reign in their 8 yr old side for a second. thanks.
i also got a very strange one from douglas hsu, which i cd not decode as to content, which also went to mjemmeson and mitch, i noticed, plus a buncha foaxs whose addys i dint know)
― mark s, Monday, 26 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
who is generally regarded as the most trouble-making, discord- creating ile poster around here anyway???
And it was talking to people I MIGHT not be aroused by.
sincerely,
an 8 yr old
...but yes, I have considered that, I of course don't think it's someone's "fault," and honestly, I would rather date a healthy 160 pound/5'8" girl than an anorexic, anyday. But I am also sticking to that ideal of honesty when I truthfully confess that if I had a choice and I didn't know the girl's personality AT ALL, I would probably choose a slimmer girl over those stats, not least because i am such a toothpick myself and have had painful experiences with overweight women before. Yet in my situation, i already KNOW the girl's personality, so I'm not just going to be sgum (see the fob board) and drop her or anything...I'm going to take a chance and see what she's like *as a person* in person. I would never just hold her weight against her or use it to "blame" her, like you're implying.
don't think pubic problem, maryann, think PUBIC OPPORTUNITY
or was it jess? he's a blabmouth considering he has such a teenytiny head
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 19 July 2004 13:52 (twenty years ago) link
― dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 19 July 2004 13:53 (twenty years ago) link
was this violent vic, or just a guy named vic?
― That one guy that quit, Friday, 6 July 2007 13:43 (seventeen years ago) link
Too early for Calum
― Dom Passantino, Friday, 6 July 2007 13:45 (seventeen years ago) link
Great thread.
― Dom Passantino, Saturday, 13 October 2007 17:14 (sixteen years ago) link
Correctly guessed who revived it too
― DJ Mencap, Saturday, 13 October 2007 17:39 (sixteen years ago) link
Chubby Chums Are Grateful Girls! By George Pesante
The trouble with this country is not smog or juvenile delinquency or even TV commercials. The trouble with this country is, that it’s getting so hard to find a fat girl.
Oh, sure, they still exist, and a good thing too, because if they ever do disappear from view, we’re going to have to raise them in special herds like the vanishing buffalo.
But what with all this diet talk and reducing salons springing up to replace the corner pool room, and what with cars getting smaller, lower, the fat girl is being driven out of fashion.
This is too bad. Any man who has played parlor hockey with a fat girl knows that here is a wonderful fund of fun, frolic and felicity.
Unlike slim girls who are the darlings of modern fashion, fat girls get little attention. That means that when a man does bestow his favors upon them, they react like a St. Bernard in a sausage factory.
They laugh, they giggle, they respond to your attentions with happy shrieks. In short, they just lap it up. What’s more, they don’t need to be persuaded. Simply give them the nod and they’re off to the races. And once a fat girl gets herself in motion, she’s awfully hard to stop.
Incidentally, the old belief that fat girls are necessarily jolly girls is only sometimes true. There are plenty of fat girls who are so frustrated by their lack of male attention that they are foul-tempered, mean and sullen.
The majority of them are sunny though, and even the grumpy lumpies will respond much more quickly to a little warmth than the average slim-waisted woman.
Some girls are fat, of course, because they have glandular deficiencies and these are generally to be avoided. Frequently they have moustaches and evil tempers and are so fat as to cause topographical confusion.
On the other hand, a girl who is generously plump, simply because the good Lord made her that way, a girl who likes to eat and drink and have herself a good time — this girl is worth solid gold, all 180 pounds of her.
Another fallacy about fat girls is that they are light on their feet. This isn’t true, most of them are as heavy as all get-out. But it’s pretty easy to get them off their feet. And that’s what really counts.
A fat girl is used to the notiion that people can’t lift her up and toss her around as if she were a ballerina. Consequently, she won’t force you to go through those gymnastics. She’ll arrange herself in such a way as to spare you the grunt and groan preliminaries.
Generally speaking, fat girls have one trait in common which their slimmer sisters do not always enjoy. They tend to have skins as smooth as foam rubber and twice as bouncy.
They cost less to feed than slim girls because they go in heavy for bread and mashed potatoes and show a marked preference for beer.
Because fat girls do not get the rush that slim girls do, they don’t expect to be taken out to fancy places. They don’t expect filet mignon and champagne. The back seat of a car and a pile of sandwiches will do nicely, especially if both the sandwiches and the back seat are big.
Fat girls tend to live alone more often than slim girls. They need more room around them and also, they are embarrassed by their slimmer roommates. This makes it much easier to date a fat girl, and what’s more, to make the date pay off.
Needless to say, fat girls are a joy in the wintertime, because there’s nothing more comforting than to find yourself enfolded by great mounds of curvy girl. They are equally delightful in the summer time, however, because they like nothing on but the electric fan. And, after all, what could be more fun than that?
― and what, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 04:54 (sixteen years ago) link
stop posting economist articles here
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 05:04 (sixteen years ago) link
ethan, do you:
(A) Just surf the internet normally and C&P any fucked up thing you find, which, as a result of your normal surfing habits, end up being pretty screwy...
or
(B) Actively seek out the fucked up things, and C&P for us the cream of the crop?
Either way, my god, your poor brain.
― en i see kay, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 07:28 (sixteen years ago) link
Big bone-ded! ba-dum crash!
― deej, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 07:36 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzPP0wTj8Xs&feature=related
― velko, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 07:58 (sixteen years ago) link
who's going to save the world from being saved by mark c?
-- RJG (RJG), Saturday, 17 July 2004 Bookmark Link
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ME!!!!!!! -- RJG (RJG), Saturday, 17 July 2004
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 09:23 (sixteen years ago) link
ZAFTIG, mentioned above, appears late in Jonathan Lethem's novel THE FORTRESS OF SOLITUDE. I understood the word so little I had to look it up. I'm still not sure I understand it, and perhaps I understand it even less after seeing its use on this thread.
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 09:25 (sixteen years ago) link
George Pesante
Passantino's new pen name found!
― King Boy Pato, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 09:34 (sixteen years ago) link
Seriously, could any c-man or c-woman here really, honestly, be dating a person? An honest answer is required. -- ken c (ken c), Friday, 16 July 2004
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 09:35 (sixteen years ago) link
ha zaftig. margaret cho uses that word best.
― Surmounter, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 13:51 (sixteen years ago) link
to mean ... what?
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 14:05 (sixteen years ago) link
chubster
― Surmounter, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 14:06 (sixteen years ago) link
gosh, I don't think that's what Lethem meant by it. Maybe I will report back on this. It's in the last quarter or so of TFoS, when Dylan Ebdus, invisible, sees a female prison guard and thinks admiringly that she's zaftig.
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 14:18 (sixteen years ago) link
margaret had a great gig about how her producers were telling her she was zaftig. and then at a restaurant she heard the waitress say "zaftig, perhaps?" but really she was saying "a soft drink, perhaps?"
mwahaha
― Surmounter, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 14:39 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah, it means thick in the good way.
― Jordan, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 14:45 (sixteen years ago) link
Curvy, soft. Pudgy maybe but in an erm extremely feminine way. Alternately it could just mean "busty".
― Laurel, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 14:46 (sixteen years ago) link
Also I don't know if you'd call a petite girl with a big rack "zaftig", I feel like there are connotations of stature as well, like, y'know "a lot of woman".
― Laurel, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 14:47 (sixteen years ago) link
sounds like my kind of tig, I mean, ting, I mean, thing.
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 14:52 (sixteen years ago) link
so is like rose mcgowan a good example of zaftig or is she still too skinny?
― Surmounter, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 14:57 (sixteen years ago) link
Far too skinny surely!
― Tom D., Tuesday, 22 July 2008 14:59 (sixteen years ago) link
She's not remotely chubby, is she?
― Tom D., Tuesday, 22 July 2008 15:00 (sixteen years ago) link
A famously nearly nude Hollywood starlet like RMcG? Totally, totally way way too skinny unless you mean merely in comparison to a runway model.
― Laurel, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 15:02 (sixteen years ago) link
no, especeially not these days, but she's always pulled off that beautiful voluptuous thing
right, right, i know you're right.
― Surmounter, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 15:03 (sixteen years ago) link
Jess needs to be here to properly define this
― kingfish, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 15:03 (sixteen years ago) link
Charlotte Church?
― Tom D., Tuesday, 22 July 2008 15:04 (sixteen years ago) link
RIP Jess's definitions
― Laurel, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 15:07 (sixteen years ago) link
Re Charlotte Church, a quick GIS says "maybe, depending on which photo yer talking about" to me.
― Laurel, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 15:12 (sixteen years ago) link
She is zaftig these days
― Tom D., Tuesday, 22 July 2008 15:14 (sixteen years ago) link
The point is sort of that zaftig is a folk term, and was born from the Ashkenazic population of sort of famously peasant-y Eastern Europeans (I think, don't ask me to trace it back any farther). I would say that a) it's all relative, and b) there's an essential earthiness or hmm... suggestion of bounty, fertility.
― Laurel, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 15:14 (sixteen years ago) link
sounds otm to me
― Surmounter, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 15:15 (sixteen years ago) link
zaf·tig Audio Help /ˈzɑftɪk, -tɪg/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[zahf-tik, -tig] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –adjective Slang. 1. Gianna Michaels, fer real
― yungblut, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 15:16 (sixteen years ago) link
http://bengals.hp.infoseek.co.jp/pict/past_player/ickey_shuffle03.jpg
180 lbs isn't fat! Not if you're tall, anyway. I mean it's not skinny, either...was that article written by an R. Crumb of 1918?
― Abbott, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 18:04 (sixteen years ago) link
Funnily enough I was watching the new American Gladiators show last night and they give height and weight for the glads -- and none of the women was admitted to be over 155 lbs even though they ranged from 5'7" to 5'10" and clearly all had shoulders and thighs the size of quarterbacks'. I do respectfully suggest that that is extremely unlikely; 180 sounds far more probable (and healthful).
― Laurel, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 18:27 (sixteen years ago) link
i would suggest that you are right about that
― rrrobyn, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 18:39 (sixteen years ago) link
are fat girls really sluttier??
― homosexual II, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 19:03 (sixteen years ago) link
okay, SLUTTIER is not the word. easier to get in the sack?
i guess as a ZAFTIG girl myself I should know the answer to that
― homosexual II, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 19:04 (sixteen years ago) link
Googled for the legernd that is George Pesante and found that the article is from a 1962 bongo mag:
http://www.erosblog.com/2008/07/17/chubby-girl-1962/
(nsfw pic, btw)
― Bodrick III, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 19:34 (sixteen years ago) link