Is the West Experiencing a Left-Wing Drift? (the international left politics activism, news, and strategy thread)

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(and Israel's involved on a few of those fronts but you get the idea)

Οὖτις, Thursday, 20 December 2018 22:54 (five years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Tucker Carlson’s rag is doubling down to the point of now just making leftist memes:

That's more like it, @AOC! pic.twitter.com/Jg1XkAl8bo

— The Daily Caller (@DailyCaller) January 4, 2019

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Saturday, 5 January 2019 19:58 (five years ago) link

They're just riding the wave for the clicks.

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 6 January 2019 00:00 (five years ago) link

xp lol

sleeve, Sunday, 6 January 2019 03:21 (five years ago) link

Holy shit they do the “Webster’s defines socialism as..” thing too

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/americans-warming-to-socialism-over-capitalism-polls-show

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Sunday, 6 January 2019 23:25 (five years ago) link

Socialism, no matter what Webster's Dictionary says, should be defined as the belief that the economic production and resources of a society should be organized so as to support all members of that society, in such a way that their basic sustenance does not directly depend upon their ability or opportunities to contribute to that society's economic production.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 7 January 2019 04:13 (five years ago) link

Uh, I think that’s social democracy, but a necessary step along the way

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Monday, 7 January 2019 22:11 (five years ago) link

I think society owning the means of production would be covered by that definition, too, since that approach is just a means, not an end in itself.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 7 January 2019 23:55 (five years ago) link

debating what socialism really means is a

https://media1.tenor.com/images/9e1deacb0095a725dafb1802588469dc/tenor.gif?itemid=5589511

from me

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 15:57 (five years ago) link

Fair enough

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 20:28 (five years ago) link

Houston DSA Member, Judge Franklin Bynum, updated our chapter last night in front of 82 attendees on his work as judge, announcing that he freed dozens of people yesterday alone during his jail docket.

This is what emancipation looks like.

He announced that the newly elected judges fired the private law firm that argued for jailing the poor, dismissed the federal appeal, and are moving to settle the biggest bail lawsuit in the country. With the leadership of Judge Darrell Jordan, Franklin and the new judges; all people will be released on their misdemeanor cases, period.

No more algorithms, no more cash bail, no more cages for people the law already calls innocent. This is part of our vision of a better society!

“I would never have done this without being a part of DSA.” - Franklin Bynum

https://www.facebook.com/HoustonDSA/posts/1641384789294769

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 16 January 2019 21:48 (five years ago) link

What is the algorythm he is talking about?

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 16 January 2019 21:50 (five years ago) link

could someone break down the "leaked DSA secret plan" fracas that happened a few days ago?

resident hack (Simon H.), Wednesday, 16 January 2019 21:51 (five years ago) link

could someone break down the "leaked DSA secret plan" fracas that happened a few days ago?

― resident hack (Simon H.), Wednesday, January 16, 2019 9:51 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

so far as i can tell some internal documents from the momentum clique leaked. in these docs they're open that the M4A canvassing they've been driving has essentially been designed as a bait and switch actually intended to build capacity to power a bernie canvassing adjunct. they reply that a bernie presidency is a necessary condition for M4A. no one besides them, so far as i can tell, thinks that's true.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 17 January 2019 22:59 (five years ago) link

so far as i can tell

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 17 January 2019 22:59 (five years ago) link

thanks HOOS. sounds....about right, tbh

resident hack (Simon H.), Thursday, 17 January 2019 23:04 (five years ago) link

this is.....very far from great, and mcelwee does not come off well

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-young-lefts-anti-capitalist-manifesto/

resident hack (Simon H.), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:33 (five years ago) link

It was I think Brendan O'Connor who tweeted that if you think the intellectual salon of the anticapitalist left is a media & pol friendly happy hour in Brooklyn, you're telling on yourself

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 01:06 (five years ago) link

I liked a lot of what McElwee was saying - probably surprising no one - but this is the part that concerns me:

if three years from now Data for Progress has not enacted its vision, has not exercised itself upon the world and its ideas on the world, then we will have failed and we should stop doing this.”

Wasn’t that self-imposed timeline a little quick for broad political change to happen, I asked.

“We’re all going to fucking die of climate change,” McElwee shot back. “We have to accelerate, accelerate, accelerate.”

There's still a lot of people who would love to die of climate change in a hundred years, instead of being shot by police, dying of hunger, etc, and it's concerning if people are going to go away if they don't get their way in three years.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 11:22 (five years ago) link

Calling yourself an "Overton window mover" is some straight up delusions of grandeur shit.

Unrelated, but if you're taking the pulse of the new US left and consulting Paul Krugman but no one from (for example) the major chunk of DSA not interested in reforming the Dems, that's pretty fucking weak imho

resident hack (Simon H.), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 11:31 (five years ago) link

I'm pretty sure she's not including Krugman as being among the new US left. Might have overlooked that connection, but I don't think it's there.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 12:08 (five years ago) link

And the fact that Krugman is thinking about plans to nationalize 25% of the economy is a pretty great indication of the impact the new left has had, imo.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 12:09 (five years ago) link

i sorta get grifter vibes from McElwee, but he's followed by some good people not that necessarily means anything

anvil, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 12:12 (five years ago) link

I've seen ppl outright call him a grifter but imo that term implies malice/forethought, imo he's just an activist who got a little media + politician love and let it get to his head (inadvertently minimizing the work of a hell of a lot of other people while he's at it)

and no the piece doesn't lump in Krugman with them, it does something even more annoying and turns to him to say "hmm maybe the mainstream political spectrum IS too limited huh" as though that's not something he could have started doing something about a long fuckin' time ago if he really cared that much about it, and as if tons of ppl haven't been screaming this at the NYT and every other mainstream outlet about their biases for a million years

resident hack (Simon H.), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 12:40 (five years ago) link

Yeah, exactly. Which is why it's such a good example to show how the new left has succeeded where others has failed?

Frederik B, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 12:56 (five years ago) link

idk I just don't think persuading Krugman of the value of our ideas is a super useful measurement of impact

resident hack (Simon H.), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 12:59 (five years ago) link

Fair enough. I do.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 13:00 (five years ago) link

AFA International President Sara Nelson accepted the 2019 AFL-CIO MLK Drum Major for Justice Award, with a call to conference activists from across the Labor Movement to talk with their union leadership about conducting a General Strike to end the Government Shutdown.

look i'm corny as fuck but i teared up at this:

Now listen to me… We can end this Shutdown together.

Federal sector unions have their hands full caring for the 800,000 federal workers who are at the tip of the spear. Some would say the answer is for them to walk off the job. I say, “what are you willing to do? Their destiny IS tied up with our destiny – and they don’t even have time to ask us for help. Don’t wait for an invitation. Get engaged, join or plan a rally, get on a picket line, organize sit-ins at lawmakers’ offices.

Almost a million workers are locked out or being forced to work without pay. Others are going to work when our workspace is increasingly unsafe. What is the Labor Movement waiting for?

Go back with the Fierce Urgency of NOW to talk with your Locals and International unions about all workers joining together - To End this Shutdown with a General Strike.

We can do this. Together. Si se puede. Every gender, race, culture, and creed. The American Labor Movement. We have the power.

https://www.afacwa.org/fierce_urgency_of_now

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 24 January 2019 02:48 (five years ago) link

thank you. i emailed my AFT rep about it. who to email at AFL-CIO?

the late great, Thursday, 24 January 2019 04:58 (five years ago) link

hell yeah

resident hack (Simon H.), Thursday, 24 January 2019 05:07 (five years ago) link

also i would like to lol @ the bureacratically oriented invitation to "conference activists from across the Labor Movement to talk with their union leadership about conducting a General Strike"

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 24 January 2019 19:26 (five years ago) link

two weeks pass...

The (literal) money quote from Bill De Blasio in this interview; "If you're not willing to say we need to tax the wealthy more, you're not a part of the Democratic Party anymore." https://t.co/kFSg0rpljE

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) February 12, 2019

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 12 February 2019 23:33 (five years ago) link

haven't listened to this yet but will later.

venerable marxist prof emeritus Robert Brenner talks about the US Economy on Jacobin Radio with Suzi Weissman

https://www.blubrry.com/jacobin/41771287/robert-brenner-on-the-state-of-the-economy/

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 19:44 (five years ago) link

nice

Not sure where to slot this exactly, but Tim Faust has a new M4A primer

https://splinternews.com/the-only-guide-to-medicare-for-all-that-you-will-ever-n-1832594853

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Thursday, 14 February 2019 19:44 (five years ago) link

that link is clarifying a ton of stuff for me, simon, thank you.

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 14 February 2019 21:22 (five years ago) link

Siri, show me the Overton Window moving: https://t.co/KD0dWlIvKh

— Michael T Sweeney (@mtsw) February 16, 2019

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 17 February 2019 19:27 (five years ago) link

two weeks pass...

is there a good explainer of the ADOS movement/hashtag anywhere? google is failing me

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Monday, 4 March 2019 16:45 (five years ago) link

America Dunks On Sunken?

moose; squirrel (silby), Monday, 4 March 2019 17:12 (five years ago) link

american descendants of slaves. reparations. can't find much about it from a cursory search

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 4 March 2019 18:25 (five years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Oh no anything but that

Just received approval from the House for the formation of the Anti-Socialism Caucus. This caucus will defend individual liberty & free markets and highlight the dark history of socialism.

— Rep. Chris Stewart (@RepChrisStewart) April 3, 2019

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Thursday, 4 April 2019 00:36 (five years ago) link

nice corrective to the NYMag piece on Brooklyn socialists, interviewing DSA folks in Iowa

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/04/democratic-socialism-surging-iowa-ahead-2020/586441/

Also, a bunch of socialists won election to city council in Chicago:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/democratic-socialists-america-city-council-dsa-rodriguez-sanchez/

Simon H., Friday, 5 April 2019 13:53 (five years ago) link

The 2018 GSS was just released and there's some big news. Those of "no religion" (23.1%) are statistically the same size as evangelicals (22.8%). There was also a small resurgence of mainline Protestants, while Catholics are down 3% in the last four years. pic.twitter.com/uiyDSe7M6f

— Ryan Burge 📊 (@ryanburge) March 20, 2019

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 03:25 (five years ago) link

glad to see the surge in "no religion"

Dan S, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 03:31 (five years ago) link

Other than evangelicals, who track very closely to anti-abortion politics, I'm not sure whether any of the other religious categories called out in that survey correlate very closely to right or left wing politics.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 03:35 (five years ago) link

sure. and the surge in "no religion" predates the more recent left wing drift we're talking about on this thread as i understand it.

but the size/progress of this trend was news to me, and pretty much guarantees a left/center drift assuming your defn of left/center includes social attitudes (perhaps a little quaint these days).

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 05:05 (five years ago) link

There Is A Spectre Haunting My Ass

Simon H., Thursday, 11 April 2019 13:43 (five years ago) link


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