US Politics December 2018: ~very legal and very cool~

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Really enjoyed this thread that simultaneously notes how the system can be stacked and how Flynn and his defenders/enablers are opportunistic sacks of shit:

Yesterday I ridiculed a subset of Flynn defenders -- those who misrepresent the law and the way the system works. These are the fair-weather-friends of criminal defense.

But there is a principled argument that what happened to Flynn is wrong. /1 https://t.co/q2pwGzKkk4

— BigCrimeHat (@Popehat) December 14, 2018

Ned Raggett, Friday, 14 December 2018 17:30 (seven years ago)

As a member of the bar, Rudy is still considered to be "an officer of the court", isn't he? Publically undermining the legitimacy of the court's authority is a serious ethics violation.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 14 December 2018 17:34 (seven years ago)

you need some degree of awareness (conscious or not) that you have no real future in the public sector

As with W's people, all but the most abject will be reinstated, probably to manage climate-change refugee camps. Wait and see.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 14 December 2018 17:41 (seven years ago)

If it isn’t a witch-hunt why are they pursuing a non-crime.

rollsafe.gif

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 14 December 2018 17:43 (seven years ago)

As with W's people

lol who are you talking about

Οὖτις, Friday, 14 December 2018 17:44 (seven years ago)

Wolfowitz? Cheney? Rumsfeld? Harriet Meyers? Gonzalez? Any members of the Bush family?

Οὖτις, Friday, 14 December 2018 17:45 (seven years ago)

my alma mater had ashcroft speak there last month

maura, Friday, 14 December 2018 17:55 (seven years ago)

awww

Christie declines the chief of staff role. His statement: pic.twitter.com/DiZb5r01z0

— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) December 14, 2018

mookieproof, Friday, 14 December 2018 17:57 (seven years ago)

idk if making the college lecture circuit counts as "reinstated"

it's certainly not a position of power

xp

Οὖτις, Friday, 14 December 2018 17:59 (seven years ago)

lol burn.

also

WH spokesman Gidley "said he expects a decision soon but also suggested Trump could decide to “extend” his current deal with John Kelly," per pool.

— Annie Karni (@anniekarni) December 14, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 14 December 2018 18:01 (seven years ago)

loooooool at christie turning it down

internationally recognized indicator of "this is pathetic"

Karl Malone, Friday, 14 December 2018 18:01 (seven years ago)

so...if christie 'turned it down', this officially means that he was more desirable for the role than newt or jared? OUCH

Karl Malone, Friday, 14 December 2018 18:02 (seven years ago)

mooch for CoS!

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 14 December 2018 18:03 (seven years ago)

And again deleting clarifying earlier post, right statement this time - Christie was not offered the job, took himself out of running. pic.twitter.com/hIRUyIcHwh

— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) December 14, 2018

Ned Raggett, Friday, 14 December 2018 18:06 (seven years ago)

Shakey, the positions we were presented with were a Fox News talking head gig and/or 'writer' of right-wing historical fiction

John Yoo isn't either

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 14 December 2018 18:07 (seven years ago)

so many family considerations for republicans this year, very odd timing

Karl Malone, Friday, 14 December 2018 18:07 (seven years ago)

they have always been super pro-family tho

j., Friday, 14 December 2018 18:10 (seven years ago)

White House aides/advisers told us this morning that Christie was a leading contender for chief of staff. @PhilipRucker & I had just finished astory. And now Christie puts out statement saying he's declining. So that's how this week has gone.

— Josh Dawsey (@jdawsey1) December 14, 2018

well-oiled machine

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 14 December 2018 18:10 (seven years ago)

the positions we were presented with were a Fox News talking head gig and/or 'writer' of right-wing historical fiction

no, this is not what was posted. what was posted was in direct reference to a "future in the public sector" (Fox News is not the public sector) and you literally said they would be "reinstated" just like "W's people", the direct implication being that a) Trump's cronies will have a future employed by a government entity and b) this has happened with Dubya's staff. The latter is just totally incorrect, the former remains to be seen but the outlook isn't good.

xp

Οὖτις, Friday, 14 December 2018 18:10 (seven years ago)

it's the same lizards, different skin

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Friday, 14 December 2018 18:13 (seven years ago)

Apologies for sharing my own tweet but

IF EVER THERE WAS THE DEFINITION OF *NOT* BREAKING NEWS. pic.twitter.com/GWScbzWDAC

— Ned Raggett (@NedRaggett) December 14, 2018

Ned Raggett, Friday, 14 December 2018 18:17 (seven years ago)

hahahaha

No Smockin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 14 December 2018 18:20 (seven years ago)

Entire floor at D.C. federal courthouse sealed off for mystery case:

https://www.ajc.com/news/national-govt--politics/entire-floor-federal-courthouse-sealed-off-for-mystery-case/JyerATnO5wL4gJKcS6nVJP/

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 14 December 2018 18:28 (seven years ago)

Probably has to do with the new Avengers movie.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 14 December 2018 18:30 (seven years ago)

fingers crossed they're finally ready to indict crooked hillary

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 14 December 2018 18:34 (seven years ago)

White House aides/advisers told us this morning that Christie was a leading contender for chief of staff. @PhilipRucker & I had just finished astory. And now Christie puts out statement saying he's declining. So that's how this week has gone.

i don't doubt that the trump white house is a chaotic confusing piece of shit, and i'm just totally speculating here, BUT

we don't know the identity of the anonymous "aides/advisers" who populate so many of these stories. we don't know how many there are, or what qualifies one as an official white house aide. but there is an incentive for people in the white house to refer to themselves as one, in terms of career building. there is also an incentive for "aides" to leak details to the press - it helps establish relationships that will probably benefit them later on in their career. so in the white house, you have an amorphous blob of "aides", some of whom are probably actually not that close to the decision-making (sorry alfred) process, who are eager for some reporter to listen to their version of events so that their status as "WH insider" can be codified.

on the other side, the press have corresponding motives for reaching out to people who are actually on the periphery of internal discussions and may have information that is out of date.

i don't doubt that the trump white house is a fucking mess, and all of the motives in play for leaking didn't seem to be such a problem for the obama's white house. it just seems like it's difficult to pinpoint when accounts of sudden reversals on key decisions from anonymous aides are real and when they're just a sign of one or more uninformed aides/reporters.

Karl Malone, Friday, 14 December 2018 18:38 (seven years ago)

EXCLUSIVE: Russian agent Maria Butina claimed she had a "signed cooperation agreement" with the NRA https://t.co/nCjIGtNP5a via @MotherJones

— David Corn (@DavidCornDC) December 14, 2018

"The NRA would not confirm whether or not it had entered into a cooperation agreement with Butina’s group. 'The NRA says it is not aware of any such agreement,' a spokesperson for the gun lobbying group said in an emailed statement." https://t.co/xheHMnhnI5

— Natasha Bertrand (@NatashaBertrand) December 14, 2018

Ned Raggett, Friday, 14 December 2018 18:44 (seven years ago)

KM, totally: whoever told the WP that Christie was in the lead had some kind of agenda. but whatever their motivation, it's difficult to come up with a way a completely false story about the identity of the next COS comes close to publication without the whitehouse being incredibly messed up and badly run.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 14 December 2018 18:50 (seven years ago)

'The NRA says it is not aware of any such agreement,' a spokesperson for the gun lobbying group said

I love the grammatical distance at which the NRA spokesperson places the NRA's statement from themselves.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 14 December 2018 18:53 (seven years ago)

i'm sure W's people fill the Deep State.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 14 December 2018 18:55 (seven years ago)

really? you think Paul Wolfowitz is sorting mail at the DoD right or something?

Οὖτις, Friday, 14 December 2018 18:58 (seven years ago)

we were talking about people in Trump and W's cabinet - Chief of Staff, etc. - not random low-level bureaucrats

Οὖτις, Friday, 14 December 2018 18:59 (seven years ago)

xxxxxpost
I think people leak shit so Trump will see it on tv.

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Friday, 14 December 2018 19:01 (seven years ago)

anyway, this subponae thing going on w Mueller has to be Trump, right? I can't imagine any other figure that would warrant this

Οὖτις, Friday, 14 December 2018 19:01 (seven years ago)

xpost wut about Bolton

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Friday, 14 December 2018 19:02 (seven years ago)

anyway, this subponae thing going on w Mueller has to be Trump, right? I can't imagine any other figure that would warrant this

Could be Kelly. Could be something else.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 14 December 2018 19:04 (seven years ago)

Problems, problems.

New: @NYDailyNews reports that the New Jersey Attorney General’s office is investigating Trump’s golf club in Bedminster for “widespread harassment and immigration fraud” https://t.co/S6UjeEBKnT

— Scott Stedman (@ScottMStedman) December 14, 2018

Ned Raggett, Friday, 14 December 2018 19:04 (seven years ago)

Also

While Paul Manafort was the subject of a federal criminal investigation, he advised the Trump Administration to publicly attack the FBI, to falsely allege that Ukraine colluded with the DNC, and to attack Hillary Clinton and the Steele dossier, per @vox.https://t.co/yQHM6wHEub

— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) December 14, 2018

Ned Raggett, Friday, 14 December 2018 19:05 (seven years ago)

what was posted was in direct reference to a "future in the public sector" (Fox News is not the public sector) and you literally said they would be "reinstated" just like "W's people", the direct implication being that a) Trump's cronies will have a future employed by a government entity and b) this has happened with Dubya's staff. The latter is just totally incorrect, the former remains to be seen but the outlook isn't good.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiIsJnKgqDfAhVImuAKHZayC8QQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.politico.com%2Fstory%2F2018%2F08%2F20%2Fbrett-kavanaugh-bill-clinton-explicit-questions-lewinsky-789599&psig=AOvVaw3SiAVbTzehtuQiy65JmZGn&ust=1544900911553121

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Friday, 14 December 2018 19:09 (seven years ago)

Kavanaugh wasn't in Dubya's cabinet

(actually neither was Bolton, technically speaking)

Οὖτις, Friday, 14 December 2018 19:11 (seven years ago)

Bolton obviously higher profile than Kavanaugh at the time due to the fact that he couldn't get Senate approval and barely lasted a year

Οὖτις, Friday, 14 December 2018 19:11 (seven years ago)

I see W's "people" and Trump's "cronies" now it's just cabinet members ok

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Friday, 14 December 2018 19:12 (seven years ago)

jfc scroll up and read the exchange, idk why yr so eager to carry water for Morbz ahistorical bullshit

Οὖτις, Friday, 14 December 2018 19:13 (seven years ago)

you think Paul Wolfowitz is sorting mail at the DoD right or something?

― Οὖτις, Friday, December 14, 2018 6:58 PM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is better than he deserves tbh

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 14 December 2018 19:13 (seven years ago)

Harriet Myers, mentioned earlier, had the same job as Kav

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Friday, 14 December 2018 19:13 (seven years ago)

As with W's people, all but the most abject will be reinstated,

like, this has NOT fucking happened

Οὖτις, Friday, 14 December 2018 19:13 (seven years ago)

ha i forgot about the steele dossier?!

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 14 December 2018 19:15 (seven years ago)

Wrt the ongoing shakes/morbs argument itt, I misspoke when I wrote 'a future in the public sector' when what I actually meant was the broader 'a future where they are in any way in the public eye'.

Home Despot (Old Lunch), Friday, 14 December 2018 19:15 (seven years ago)

Harriet Meiers WAS the White House Counsel. Kavanaugh was *hired* as an associate BY the White House Counsel (Gonzalez). These are not the same position.
why am I bothering.

xp

Οὖτις, Friday, 14 December 2018 19:15 (seven years ago)

and then there was this FBI director who rounded up Muslims

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Friday, 14 December 2018 19:16 (seven years ago)


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