I'll defer to you, Korean sociologist.
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 22:13 (five years ago) link
so I assume Slant is unveiling Friday -- Indiewire too?
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 22:15 (five years ago) link
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), 12. december 2018 23:13 (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yeah, what a strange idea, being a film critic and delving into the context of a film I'm reviewing.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 22:17 (five years ago) link
Is there a reason why you're so unpleasant or is it a aggro straight guy thing? We don't agree about a film's conclusion. Big deal.
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 22:21 (five years ago) link
Dude.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 22:36 (five years ago) link
I don't mean to be unpleasant, but if you think this plotpoint doesn't matter, and if you don't care about what the film says about Korean society, you're a shit film critic. Sorry, but that's how I feel. I guess we don't agree about film criticism, then. Big deal?
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 22:40 (five years ago) link
How'd you reach the conclusion that I "don't care about what the film says about Korean society"?
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 22:42 (five years ago) link
This banter reminds me of my humanities professor when asked about The Simpsons: "It's a serious comment on the American scene." So are the proliferation of CVS and Dunkin Donuts.
Anyway, despite your intemperate and boorish howling, Violet Lucca made your point several months ago with more finesse:
Still, Jongsoo’s dedication to proving Ben has done something to Haemi also establishes him as the rich man’s foil. Like the U.S., Korean society puts a great deal of value on hard work—it’s a positive trait that’s supposedly rewarded with money and security—which makes Ben’s aloofness and “playing” worthy of punishment on some level. It’s the same sense of a natural social order that should allow Jongsoo and Haemi to be more successful than their own parents, as their parents were more successful than theirs. Instead, the little and great hungers eat away at them, pushing them toward even greater extremes: more debt, more doubt, more malice.
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 22:45 (five years ago) link
You don't think that's a stupid and poor-shaming reading of the film?
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 23:00 (five years ago) link
Do go on.
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 23:02 (five years ago) link
Paju province is a complete dead end. Haemi is not some especially 'hungry' person, she is a victim of regional inequality that wages everything on becoming an idol, and ends up as a 'barn'. And damn right Jongsoo and Haemi should be more succesful than their parents, South Korea was basically governed by the military until 1993 (making it a pretty dark subject where Ben inherited his money from). They are the first generation born in freedom. Lucca is interpolating the US unto Korea instead of delving into the context.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 23:08 (five years ago) link
not really sure how that contradicts lucca's take
― devvvine, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 23:13 (five years ago) link
It's like watching 'Do the Right Thing' and thinking it's about how people should do what the police says.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 23:15 (five years ago) link
Also, it's just wrong. Jongsoo spends a lot of time thinking Ben burns barns, because Ben claims he burns barns. Jongsoo only becomes 'conspiratorial' after he finds pretty strong signs that something conspiratorial has happened. This is just a fact, plain and simple. There's not a single indication that he thinks otherwise before he has reason to think otherwise. Not a single one.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 23:19 (five years ago) link
have had to skip over the last 30+ posts so Burning isn't spoiled for me
― Dan S, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 23:38 (five years ago) link
Yeah, sorry, we should have made a different thread.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 23:39 (five years ago) link
Lucca is interpolating the US unto Korea instead of delving into the context.
a lesson to learn when you dive into the U.S. politics thread.
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 December 2018 00:31 (five years ago) link
That might be the dumbest thing you've written yet.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 13 December 2018 00:38 (five years ago) link
Fred, go to lunch
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Thursday, 13 December 2018 00:41 (five years ago) link
preferably a hemlock souffle
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 13 December 2018 00:55 (five years ago) link
My only objection is that we don't talk seriously about movies on the detrius thread. It's just not done.
― I Never Promised You A Hose Harden (Eric H.), Thursday, 13 December 2018 03:12 (five years ago) link
I created these threads so I could enjoy movies in the least-intellectual, most frivolous manner possible.
― I Never Promised You A Hose Harden (Eric H.), Thursday, 13 December 2018 03:13 (five years ago) link
shh!
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 December 2018 03:13 (five years ago) link
hello!
BURNING (dir. Lee Chang-dong, 2018) - Murakami adaptation feat. Yoo Ah-in, Steven Yeun, and Jeon Jong-seo
― flappy bird, Thursday, 13 December 2018 03:24 (five years ago) link
xp not sure what you mean by that
― Dan S, Thursday, 13 December 2018 03:29 (five years ago) link
I'm not minding the discussion of Burning, just skipping it
KU's tie at the top is sure to please all
https://www.keithuhlich.com/2018/12/10-for-2018-introduction-list.html
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 13 December 2018 18:23 (five years ago) link
Simply the best.
― I Never Promised You A Hose Harden (Eric H.), Thursday, 13 December 2018 18:34 (five years ago) link
he has the courage of his convictions, that's for sure
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 13 December 2018 18:46 (five years ago) link
ayyyy La Flor!
― resident hack (Simon H.), Thursday, 13 December 2018 18:51 (five years ago) link
KU likes If Beale Street, which counts as "a remembrance of things past stagnating at the level of storyboard/previz"
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 December 2018 18:56 (five years ago) link
Honestly the only thing I care about in my critics.
― I Never Promised You A Hose Harden (Eric H.), Thursday, 13 December 2018 19:07 (five years ago) link
what's this guy's deal with women, or possibly writers? The Favourite is "rancidly homophobic" on the part of the male director, not the female writer, a bunch of actresses are credited for directing a film that had some improvised dialogue, and the first X-Files in 200+ episodes written by women gets credited to the now-extremely-bad male writer who started the show 23 years ago
― sans lep (sic), Thursday, 13 December 2018 19:09 (five years ago) link
Eric knows him better than i do, he could ask.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 13 December 2018 19:56 (five years ago) link
He mentioned he deliberately intended to credit directors and show creators for TV-based list entries ... but let's be honest, authorship is a moving target in some of these cases in the first place, no matter how much we've tried to force the role of show runner into some kind of Sarris-approved auteurist reading. And I don't think it's unsavory to point out the communication the past and present are having with each other when it comes to TV reboots.
I haven't watched the new X-Files myself, so I can't speak to whether he was right or wrong to credit Chris Carter. But he told me he intends to give credit to the show's writers (many female) in a longer write-up.
The Favourite, otoh, he believes to be homophobic specifically because of how Lanthimos directs it, not how it was written.
― I Never Promised You A Hose Harden (Eric H.), Thursday, 13 December 2018 20:25 (five years ago) link
I didn't sense the homophobia, but that's my conviction. Don't go Frederik on me.
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 December 2018 20:36 (five years ago) link
I don't play "I'm gayer than/not as gay as you" game unless I'm one of the two being compared.
― I Never Promised You A Hose Harden (Eric H.), Thursday, 13 December 2018 20:37 (five years ago) link
And even then, it's not a game but a crucial establishing shot.
― I Never Promised You A Hose Harden (Eric H.), Thursday, 13 December 2018 20:38 (five years ago) link
deep focus
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 December 2018 20:39 (five years ago) link
you beat all comers with your music playlists, honeybunch
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 13 December 2018 20:43 (five years ago) link
Thanks, Eric!
(That X-Files episode is very good, btw; it and the two Darin Morgan-written-and-directed joints on the reunion albums affirm that Carter's best strength as a showrunner was in avoiding an auteurist approach. Crediting directors comes off as even more queasy in this instance, though, as Carter enabled writerly auteurism in the new seasons by having all the returning writers direct... so here he's credited one of the writer's husband over her.)
― sans lep (sic), Thursday, 13 December 2018 20:49 (five years ago) link
I do wish Darin Morgan had a career trajectory more like Charlie Kaufmann's, and less like Jerry Stahl's.
― Sanpaku, Thursday, 13 December 2018 22:29 (five years ago) link
Slant Magazine's top 25: https://www.slantmagazine.com/features/article/the-25-best-films-of-2018
― I Never Promised You A Hose Harden (Eric H.), Friday, 14 December 2018 14:43 (five years ago) link
(I didn't participate this year.)
Notable films that don't seem to showing up on many (any?) of these lists - The Wild Pear Tree, Loveless
― Ward Fowler, Friday, 14 December 2018 14:48 (five years ago) link
Wild Pear Tree has only been released now?
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 14 December 2018 14:53 (five years ago) link
bless Slant, but sub-Syfy dreck like Prototype doesn't belong on any respectable best movies list!
― calzino, Friday, 14 December 2018 14:56 (five years ago) link
xpostHas been on release in the UK for the last couple of weeks, but it was shown at Cannes this year (I actually think it's the weakest of Ceylan's three most recent films, but there's still enough there to earn it a place in any decent top ten).
― Ward Fowler, Friday, 14 December 2018 14:58 (five years ago) link
I was really hoping La Flor would crack Slant's list but I'd wager no one but the actual reviewer saw it
― resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 14 December 2018 14:59 (five years ago) link
It hasn't gotten a theatrical US release, not even in NYC (only played the fest), hence ineligible.
(cue the Dane)
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 14 December 2018 17:16 (five years ago) link