one out all out: a brexit from the modern world and every one of its problems please (we're all gonna die lol)

so she survived but not by a lot? this means what for Brexit?

Means she has no chance of getting her deal, they won’t force no-conf because they don’t want her to fight election, so fuck knows. Are 7 of them mad enough to pull the house down?

Well obv, but will they?

Its ok though:

Well done Theresa May,now let's leave Brexit with no deal we will be fine 🇬🇧

— Chris Waddle (@chriswaddle93) December 12, 2018

Chris' vision impaired by those Diamond Lights.

just laughing at that Waddle tweet here. he's got it all sorted.

there is no parliamentary majority for no deal, so the (perhaps optimistic) scenario i have in my head is the deal is voted down (I think that's a given), that then puts no deal as the clear frontrunner. There is definitely not a majority for no deal, so that is then in theory when a no confidence vote could be successfully. That of course requires Tory MPs to vote against the government, which none of them have shown any inclination to do so far, but then there's only a small minority in the Tory party in favour of no deal, and clear majority of Tory MPs against no deal. That feels like the best chance of avoiding it no deal with bringing down the government a necessary consequence. It does present a bit of an inverse daddy or chips moment for Tory MPs though (which of these two things do I hate less).

if only we had the likes of Hoddle, Waddle and Souness doing the brexit negging!

Twaddle amirite?

stephen bush seems utterly convinced we’re moving towards no deal. everything he’s written for the past couple of months has been pointed that way.

at the same time, while he is always astute he’s not always right

https://www.thebottleyard.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Production-_0002_Noel-Edmonds-DOND2.jpg

Given the Grieve amendment and the ECJ ruling I would expect Parliament to block No Deal.

I suspect that when the vote goes down and No Deal hoves into view, the markets will absolutely shit themselves.

Endless A50 extensions and deadlock until the next election is where its at.

where will the motions to extend article 50 come from, the government? And who will vote for them, the majority or just "everyone who doesn't want no deal"? The reasons for Laobur not to supply the votes for May's deal make sense to me but I'd think they'd vote for extensions that were allowed to come to the floor. Is that how it'd work out until there's a new government?

loool Max Tundra, last seen on Twitter chatting to yours truly about obscure prog, has somehow snagged the Top Reply to that Waddle tweet

oh it's not The Top Reply, it's A Top Reply, stand down everyone

top top reply

Weirdly he is literally last seen chatting to a friend of mine #extremelyminorbrags

the best way of ignoring the result is probably to delay it, tinker with it, bog it down in bureaucracy and talk about it being a win for decent people until people assume we've left the EU

― kinder, Saturday, June 25, 2016 6:49 PM (two years ago)

Beautiful optimistic times

Have been so impressed with @Jacob_Rees_Mogg @Conservatives @itvnews with interviews in the last few days. He really knows what he is talking about and puts it across in a calm and calculated manner!

— Peter Shilton (@Peter_Shilton) December 12, 2018

Oh, shiltonpaws...

Southall’s Nemesis is revealed.

lol the top reply is Peter Reid smacking him down

I’ll agree to disagree on that on e Goalie. He’s loopy, doesn’t know his arse from his elbow.

— Peter Reid (@reid6peter) December 12, 2018

Of course, if your talking about hedge funds moving to Dublin he’s excellent. Oh he wanted a second vote on brexit, but changed his mind.Which is his democratic right.

— Peter Reid (@reid6peter) December 12, 2018

Reid on E

=Endless A50 extensions and deadlock until the next election is where its at.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 22:47 (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Matt, are we in a position to do this? I'm still not clear whether it's possible to run the clock down, effectively handing victory to a tiny group of deranged.... even more deranged Tories. I guess no deal isn't in the interests of the EU and where there's a political will there's a way, but on what basis can you extend when nothing has changed?

No deal isn't in the interest of the EU, but "endless extensions" - or even revoking A50 and a day after triggering it again to buy time, as I've heard someone suggest - very likely isn't legal or allowed. In any case it will piss off the EU and will hurt May, who's only real support comes from that same EU right now.

I think so? Parliament has control over what happens next, there's a clear, perhaps overwhelming, blocking majority against No Deal. The EU will do whatever they can do avoid it, Ireland certainly will.

May's deal still won't get through but last night's vote does increase her ability to do things that will enrage her own backbenchers, like extending Article 50. I know she's *said* she won't do that but we should know by now that these pronouncements aren't worth the oxygen it takes to say them.

Election, second referendum, extension, all these things seem more likely than No Deal right now.

I think any extensions would have to come with solid commitments to drop some of the red lines and engage seriously, but who would believe a commitment from the UK or take them seriously now?

Absolute banter outcome is revoking A50 and huffily portraying it as “escaping the EU’s countdown” and just chucking Brexit policy to a range of committees and reports until nobody gives a fuck about ever resurrecting it because of the fatigue factor.

lol at a grim troglodyte like Shilton supplicating to any old fucking moron in a top hat + speaking with an rp accent.

extend A50, widen M20 imo

probably want to paint in some parking bays too while they're at it

Or🎄Chaos with @Ed_Miliband pic.twitter.com/DNkx8qMUeZ

— Labour Whips (@labourwhips) December 13, 2018

Milibantz.

was just talking to a friend who works as a delivery driver for Asda. He's worked out that because of the hellish way UC "punishes" him for working the extra seasonal demand hours he is being pressured into, he will literally be working an extra 30 hours this month for the exact same wage he would get propped up UC working tax credits for his usual hours. He also said even under normal conditions he is living very frugally but "overspending" by a couple of hundred a month because he still has his redundancy money.

millbantz was reassuring the Maybot she's got a bright future in podcasting yesterday.

(xpost) It's all broken. And worse, it's fairly deliberately broken.

The Government have just confirmed that there will be no meaningful vote before🎄and have failed to announce the business for the w/c 7 Jan. Obviously not expecting the PM to make enough ‘progress’. pic.twitter.com/wbdSSxYMsU

— Labour Whips (@labourwhips) December 13, 2018

xp
I was explaining to him that the main UC architect was a moron with fake qualifications and then it was made even worse by a degenerate cokehead. He's a "I don't do politics" type.

Tying the two strands together here:

Former Conservative party leader Iain Duncan Smith tells Sky News the prime minister should tell the EU "if you want a deal you'd better damn well step up to the plate"

— Sky News Breaking (@SkyNewsBreak) December 13, 2018

Increasingly feels like the Tory right simply cannot grasp the idea that EU thinks Ireland, one of its member states, is more important than them https://t.co/6F51GE1dCR

— Jon Stone (@joncstone) December 13, 2018

It's all broken. And worse, it's fairly deliberately broken.

I remember when UC was first mooted it was all about "making work pay" and plenty of papers dutifully reported it without the scare quotes. Calz's example shows it's having the opposite effect.

word on the street - from friends who work in very adjacent sectors - is that Job Centres will (continue to?) have sanctions quota targets under UC. also that the DWP induction training for UC is all Kool Aid

was reading about someone who got a one hundred day benefits sanction for missing a phonecall. Anyone who thinks that type of shit is acceptable is pure sub-human (or maybe just all too human) scum. I bet Shilton would say "too fucking right!" though!

i'll be honest, i try not to think too hard about it, it makes me actually ill and this year has been too close at times. but i'm amazed that many, many more people haven't died under austerity

I personally think many have, but if someone ever publishes a report on it (like the BMJ did on disabled deaths) it either get's ignored or dismissed as political.

guardian should do a UC deep dive already

Was listening to a podcast summing things up, and I left with the impression that in a decade or two there'll be another vote to rejoin the EU, which will be met with news that Britain never actually left.

European leaders talking to stupid channel 4 news are my new heroes

Luxembourg: (friendly but regretful) brexit was your choice, not mine

romania: (extremely unfriendly) it is a good deal. i ....recommend....you take it

netherlands: (to some absurdly phrased uk persecution complex shit) you may think that, i couldnt possibly comment