one out all out: a brexit from the modern world and every one of its problems please (we're all gonna die lol)

that's centralised control for you.

First as tragedy, then as farce...

reality's once again a little too on-the-nose for my liking

During the referendum campaign in 2016 Michael Gove, the environment secretary who was then a leader of the Vote Leave campaign, warned that, if the UK stayed in the EU, we would be like “hostages locked in the back of the car”. He said:

If we vote to stay we’re not settling for a secure status quo. We’re voting to be hostages locked in the back of the car and driven headlong towards deeper EU integration.

There's always a tweet

dyou think she'd think of talking to little ole oireland at any stage to solve out our mutual border

or is the thought of treating us as equal partners dead altogether in the water?

Well, it seems the EU knew a whole day before Parliament that the vote would be cancelled today, I cannot even

xp

my understanding, tbfttl, and i don't enjoy being fttl, is that the Irish gov's stance has consistently been "this is only negotiable thru the EU of which we are member"? obv lots of other stuff *could* have been done under the table but you are talking about the leader of the Conservative & Unionist Party here so

the fucking state of that G Hinsliff opinion piece in the graun: Oh thatMacron Nicola Sturgeon so much reminds us what it's like to see a real leader...

total beamer of a piece.

Sturgeon: Centrist remain hero
Corbyn: Failed to motivate a Labour remain vote pic.twitter.com/EO875Vvt34

— Matt Walton (@microprefix) December 11, 2018

this stuff goes in cycles, I can recall this happening back in early '17/late '16, before the SNP lost a load of seats to the Scottish Cons.

So to that end you can almost blame Sturgeon (and the absolute fucking lameness of Scottish Labour) for keeping this lot in power!

I wouldn't trust the SNP as far as I could throw them on Brexit. I don't especially trust Corbyn either but he's at least bound to his party, whereas the SNP know that a bad Brexit makes independence more likely.

The article in question outlines every good reason why Corbyn doesn't just go ahead and call a vote now and then discards them because Leadership.

A confidence vote would unite the Tories, and the DUP would probably back her right now.

Also ignores huge elements of Nationalist frothing about how La Sturge perpetually is kicking indyref2 further away because there are no signs she'd win. She's had three or four 'announcements' that have concluded "now is not the time".

Also she says the SNP seem more united on Brexit, that's because they are literally not allowed to disagree according to Party rules.

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/snp-accused-of-gagging-own-mps-like-stalin-1-3732693

Mhairi Black is a notorious Leaver and spoke about having to 'hold her nose' to vote along party lines. Mind you, she also pointed out in the past how JRM was her 'boyfriend' in the House and how much they liked each other.

My understanding is that the Labour leadership was planning a NoConf vote, in the full knowledge they'd lose it, after the Meaningful Vote. May's kicked that one down the road.

I am also pretend-baffled as to why she's launched into this European tour, it doesn't *look* good to say the least, but I kinda think despite Juncker et als protestations there may be a sliver of face-saving wiggle room in the Declaration as opposed to the agreement.

His protestation as I understand it was “there is no renegotiation but there may be clarification” so yeah I agree.

I wouldn't trust the SNP as far as I could throw them on Brexit.

I don't get the Euro tour either. She must be out of lunch money (brekky w/ Rutte, lunch w/ Merkel, dinner w/ Macron). She sure chose the latter of Fight or Flight. She can meet all 27 leaders but will only get stuffed.

Given she's put off the vote she can't exactly sit around Westminster can she? I mean if the whole point of delaying it was to win concessions from the EU.

I mean it's all just theatre at this point anyway.

I'd love to do most trustworthy MPs now but let's wait until the top 77 results are rolled out with some nice images in January eh?

This might be a good piece, includes the notion of the impossibility trilemma

#Brexit: Tory resentment of Irish power within EU

Former Tory minister tells @NicholasWatt: "We simply cannot allow the Irish to treat us like this" https://t.co/XQfV2oD62S

— Darran Marshall (@DarranMarshall) December 11, 2018

Senior Tories are frustrated by how much power Ireland has had in the Brexit negotiations, especially over the backstop, says our political editor Nick Watt.

"The Irish really should know their place," one said https://t.co/zLB8mXi1BT#newsnight | @nicholaswatt

— BBC Newsnight (@BBCNewsnight) December 11, 2018

🙃

Over the last few months Tory MPs have asked in private how the Irish Republic can believe its relationship with the EU trumps its relationship with the UK.

They cite economic reasons (the Irish Republic's strong trading links with the UK) and the historical relationship.

The MPs do of course acknowledge that left a troubled legacy.

lol, suck shit tories

historical relationship

hmm they might want to review that

They think the same about India and most of the Commonwealth.

tHe HiStoRiCal ReLaTiOnShIp

Where's my grandad's shillelagh so I can break old Tory lizard kneecaps. Hmm, do lizards have knees?

Where's Arthur McBride when you need him?

Firebrand Labour MP Dennis Skinner has been branded a “thug” after he appeared to call @StewartMcDonald a “piece of shit” in the Commons — you can just about catch the exchange at the end of this clip https://t.co/ehNO6cvkU9 via @PA pic.twitter.com/qc9YsBOpyc

— Dan O'Donoghue (@MrDanDonoghue) December 11, 2018

Save it for PMQs Skinner

classic thug behaviour from the 86-year-old dennis skinner there

thug life

Livin' reckless, die for my necklace
Crime infected, drivin' a Lexit with a death wish

ahhh yes remember jack the rippers troubled relationships with all them lasses

they're only doing it because they love us so much

they hate us for our freedoms of movement

We’re back on no-confidence watch again (in May, not the Govt)

And 15 minutes later we had our first taste of sherry
There was Tories giving lectures on why they call it Londonderry
The Prods all started killing folks and Theresa she got merry

You expect a bit of willful ignorance and arrogant dismissive trollery from senior Tory scum on the RoI, but some of that 2010 intake crowd just seem genuinely ignorant/thick as fuck/clueless about its history (Cleverly and Bradley are prime examples), not that it matters because it's nbd to the UK media.

These are people who've decided that being a Tory MP is a life goal tbf

^ “not that it matters because it’s nbd to the u.k. media” also seems to cover really nearly anything to do with policy, v the reporting of or on opinion westminster shitslinging and manoeuvring. that was even before brexit, and seems to have led to the tory budget policy under osborne (and also nick timothy approach)of “let’s give it a go and if no one shouts we’ll keep it, and if they do we reverse ferret and leave a rucking great unfilled hole in our budget and policies. because no one will scrutinise it”.

just before i left work my colleague who claims to have a well-connected friend on the inside track on westminster politics said “she’s reached 48” and i jumped on twitter to see if that was the case but sadly nothing doing by the looks of it. i mean it makes no difference to anything (see para above) as the tory party is still there, but the lolz wd be strong.

My understanding is that they can’t announce it if she’s out of the country.

Tbf she's really gone for it this week

Yes, I think there’s a whole thing has to happen before they publicly confirm 48