one out all out: a brexit from the modern world and every one of its problems please (we're all gonna die lol)

i appreciate that the bbc has the same rule for mps that mlb has for philadelphia fans pic.twitter.com/TBwgUy1oC4

— Julia Carrie Wong (@juliacarriew) December 10, 2018

good grief, Soubry really grinds my gears. Moderate Tories attacking Corbyn as weak opposition "not holding us to account" seems 10 times worse than those from the far right that attack him on McD's plans for the economy.

The Wreakin Tories are 1000x worse

And telling Richard Burgon to grow up after he called her on her austerity cheerleader bullshit. Fuck off, Patsy.

https://www.americansuburbx.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/03_francis-bacon_painting_1946-Custom.jpg

At least they actually went and spoke to some Tories instead of traipsing up north to ferret out some Labour voting working class leavers.

Possibly the first time the BBC has ever described a middle class Tory constituency as a Brexit stronghold.

I miss The Red Flag...

Without xenophobic middle-class Tory golf Nazis, there wouldn’t even be a Brexit.

the melts/blairites used to patronisingly tell us that the only way to win an election is by by appealing to the middle ground, but apparently different rules apply to referendi that fucking go wrong!

422 to 186 is insane, there's no way she can come back from the EU with anything that can overturn that sort of deficit. It's pure brinkmanship from now on.

There's also no incentive for the EU to offer any more as they must know she can't survive long enough to deliver it.

I mean there’s nothing to offer her, is there?

The EU is 100% in on having no land border in Ireland. But the backstop that guarantees that is the sticking point for the DUP and the Brexitistas.

So afaict the only remaining way to avoid the backstop is a border in the Irish Sea. And they clearly can’t do that while they depend on the DUP. So, we’ll be right back here before too long.

This is the whole show. Even in a fairly decent Newsnight it’s still depressing that kippers are still allowed to claim it has all gone wrong because of a failure of belief in Brexit when it’s a fairly simple question of “where should your new border be?”

seems bound to end in tears at this point

they just can't help themselves

“Why doesn’t the Labour Party…lay a glove on what is an absolutely shambolic government?” - Labour politician Peter Mandelson speaks to us tonight about May’s delayed deal and the risks to the Labour leadership⁰⁰ @BBCTwo | @maitlis | #newsnight pic.twitter.com/YOSjcchCU3

— BBC Newsnight (@BBCNewsnight) December 10, 2018

I wish someone would lay a glove on him.

xp to stet

the obvious impossibility of a resolution once the eu put the Irish border front and centre (a year ago now?) means that everyone of any sort of capacity has been playing games since, including today.

semmy from dup was allowed to talk long enough on c4 news to let slip that their plan is to

-support deal through a successful vote
-ensure that the deal is then never implemented

when asked why he looked winded, sad, confused.

everyone knows there is no deal. i just cant work out whether ppl have accepted this means no brexit or not, tbh.

If there’s no deal, what’s the default status at the Irish border?

Hardest of hard, and if not enforced then other states entitled to seek relief from WTO for unfair arrangements, aiui.

How do the DUP stop implementation if the meaningful vote passes? Ffs.

if there's no deal who is responsible for painting the yellow stripe through towns, houses, etc.

yeah if no deal it defaults to hard border

semmy pointed out GFA doesnt have the word border in it once, iirc the godfather doesnt have the word mafia in it

im sure i knew at some stage whether we then must negotiate a deal with ye starting from scratch thats better than wto terms, or whether itll just be a matter of a set of eu norms thatll be quickly brought into play or what but right atm as we crash headlong into inevitable no-deal exit i cant figure out what the stakes even are with this aspect any more.

the insistence that its a covenant of gfa might be morally binding but hardly unchangeable, tho probably not unilaterally ofc and thats probably why eu happy to hitch to it as the literal front

not entirely sure that anyone believes that we'd go back to pre-ceasefire if a border of any sort short of full militarily-policed went up again- indeed, id have thought that the loyalist heavies were the riskier bunch to kick off again and that is likeliest in the event of any deal that...doesnt...end up in a border. so another catch 22 there rly.

i mean the ideal solution is quite clearly that we pluck from scots that voted remain on a one-for-one basis and replant the unionist latchigos back whence they came but nobody seems to take this suggestion seriously.

Has the deal she brought back been voted on yet? I rly struggle to keep up with this shit

lol, no. They pulled the vote cos they were going to lose it.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/homeless-children-manchester-living-dire-15510000

great piece by jen williams in the MEN yday about the spiralling temporary accommodation crisis in manchester. apparently 80 families a day presenting as homeless atm and lots of them are being put up in appalling infested/damp/dangerous rooms, which of course costs the council way more than supporting ppl so they don't get evicted ever would have

seems like this is a brutal mix of:

1. rising rents/property prices (particularly bad in manchester)
2. ease with which landlords can evict ppl
3. totally inadequate housing benefit effectively making ppl homeless once they are evicted
4. lack of affordable housing (which is the council's fault in two ways: selling it off and failing to enforce quotas on developers, the latter is again peculiarly bad in mcr)
5. the apparently huge number of slum landlords/b&b owners who profit off this

the council's weakness is largely but not entirely a matter of funding and being hamstrung/limited by central govt. this must be playing out all over the place but it's not really being reported bc everyone just wants to inject "bloody brexit omnishambles!!!" content into their veins

this is what makes my blood boil, fucking brexit has turned into our version of Trump.

sorry wrong link: https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/homeless-children-manchester-living-dire-15510000?utm_source=whatsapp&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

universal credit obviously the icing on this cake.

It's been happening for years, partly it's Brexit sucking out all the oxygen but these issues predate that and a big chunk of it is good old British indifference or contempt towards the poor.

The MEN is one of the few remaining local newspapers with any actual substance to it and the collapse of local media in general has definitely contributed to a lack of accountability at regional level. Most of the developments you mention were being enthusiastically cheered by much of the national media during the Cameron/Osbourne era.

OTM. And, following on from that...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6476177/Esther-McVey-says-think-running-Tory-leadership.html

Like a stopped clock, Novara can actually get something right every once in a while /thread

Project Brexit is imperilled, as it was always going to be, by contact with political reality. But it's Remainers who I think are at a disadvantage in outreach, messaging and strategy. It'd be a shame to learn the hard way twice that being right isn't the same as being effective.

— Ash Sarkar (@AyoCaesar) December 11, 2018

the ppl rolling their eyes at Corbyn for attacking UC last week don't seem to get how appalling life is for millions of ppl in this country NOW. Not some post-brexit dystopia.

Britain is one of the most centralised democracies going and that got worse under the coalition. Take a look at this (from a Twitter thread about how Sweden has managed to go for months without a national government and managed to get by):

The split of tax raising by local and central government in the UK, France, Sweden. The UK the most centralised of the three. pic.twitter.com/iLp82VGgdy

— Tom Forth (@thomasforth) December 7, 2018

This is the most incredible thing you will read all day. It's not a spoof. It happened. I need a lie down. pic.twitter.com/zlxqbxxO9m

— Otto English (@Otto_English) December 11, 2018

OMG

kinda envious tbh

btw, Esther McVey's partner is Men's rights activist and fillibusterer Philip Davies.

anti-domestic violence bills are his bat signal, lovely fellow.

xxxxp my hero.

the MEN is p shite besides jen williams tbf. there have always been a plenitude of underlying structural problems in the UK but there are lots of metrics you can measure the housing crisis by and in manchester at least they're all like 3x/5x/10x worse in the last few years.

Britain is one of the most centralised democracies going and that got worse under the coalition.

The Tories are addicted to centralized control.

Theresa May gets locked inside her car as she attempts to meet German Chancellor Angela Merkel

Read the latest on Theresa May's tour of European leaders here: https://t.co/BdWa4K5WMy pic.twitter.com/h6066HP7o3

— Sky News Politics (@SkyNewsPolitics) December 11, 2018

that's centralised control for you.

First as tragedy, then as farce...

reality's once again a little too on-the-nose for my liking

During the referendum campaign in 2016 Michael Gove, the environment secretary who was then a leader of the Vote Leave campaign, warned that, if the UK stayed in the EU, we would be like “hostages locked in the back of the car”. He said:

If we vote to stay we’re not settling for a secure status quo. We’re voting to be hostages locked in the back of the car and driven headlong towards deeper EU integration.

There's always a tweet

dyou think she'd think of talking to little ole oireland at any stage to solve out our mutual border

or is the thought of treating us as equal partners dead altogether in the water?

Well, it seems the EU knew a whole day before Parliament that the vote would be cancelled today, I cannot even

xp

my understanding, tbfttl, and i don't enjoy being fttl, is that the Irish gov's stance has consistently been "this is only negotiable thru the EU of which we are member"? obv lots of other stuff *could* have been done under the table but you are talking about the leader of the Conservative & Unionist Party here so

the fucking state of that G Hinsliff opinion piece in the graun: Oh thatMacron Nicola Sturgeon so much reminds us what it's like to see a real leader...

total beamer of a piece.