US Politics December 2018: ~very legal and very cool~

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Did I phrase it wrong? lol

timellison, Monday, 10 December 2018 16:58 (seven years ago)

idk I guess it was ambiguous to me, nm

Οὖτις, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:00 (seven years ago)

that's... a pleasant surprise?

sleeve, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:01 (seven years ago)

In the most positive sense of the utterance, I must ask...WTF?

vocabulary is just a way to sound samrter than you actually are (Old Lunch), Monday, 10 December 2018 17:03 (seven years ago)

Thomas wrote a dissent for the three conservatives, saying the court isn't doing its job.

"What explains the Court's refusal to do its job here?" Thomas wrote.

"I suspect it has something to do with the fact that some respondents in these cases are named Planned Parenthood," he wrote.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 December 2018 17:04 (seven years ago)

I suspect it does.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 December 2018 17:04 (seven years ago)

I suspect Roberts and Kavanaugh either didn't think this case merited the controversy it would engender, or thought there was some more important legal principle at stake (standing, I would guess?)

Οὖτις, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:06 (seven years ago)

my theory is that Kavanaugh is a clueless entitled dudebro pig but still has some sort of moral pulse (maybe cuz he got shook so bad in the hearings, just theory), whereas Thomas is genuinely evil. but as per Outic, Roberts & Kavanaugh may have had some other nefarious agenda here.

sleeve, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:08 (seven years ago)

maybe Kavanaugh got advice from his frat buddies

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 December 2018 17:09 (seven years ago)

idk if its nefarious necessarily it's just that the law and legal reasoning is often different from political reasoning, because if you, say, blatantly override precedent or established principles all the time, then the entire legal system completely falls apart, and if there's anything the three branches of federal government have in common it's that they all tend to jealously guard their perogatives/power.

Οὖτις, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:11 (seven years ago)

i haven't been following anti-abortion legal strategy too much, but i assume there are many, various ways they are trying to attack?

my first thought when reading that kavanaugh sided with the liberals (and roberts) is that he's waiting for a more powerful attack to come before the SC. that way he can vote to make it harder to get an abortion while having a "pro-choice" vote in his past, giving him a veneer of ...what is it...oh yeah, a judicial temperament

Karl Malone, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:15 (seven years ago)

In February, the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals upheld a lower court ruling that Kansas was wrong to to end Planned Parenthood’s Medicaid funding, writing that states can’t cut off funding for reasons “unrelated to the provider’s competence and the quality of the healthcare it provides.” Four other appeals courts have ruled that Medicaid patients have the right to access the provider of their choice.

But the 8th Circuit Court of Appeals has held that states do have the right to terminate a provider’s Medicaid contract and that residents have no right to challenge that decision.

The Supreme Court's action Monday allows the split decisions to stand in different federal circuits. Thomas, in his dissent, wrote that the Supreme Court should have taken the cases to resolve conflicting findings from lower courts.

timellison, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:17 (seven years ago)

is it wrong that I am kinda hoping for an economic crash in terms of how that will affect Trump's political fortunes and global GHG emissions

― Οὖτις, Monday, December 10, 2018 8:52 AM

I'm going with yes. the pain from an economic crash falls on the just and the unjust alike, and disproportionately harms the powerless.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 10 December 2018 17:19 (seven years ago)

so not exactly win-win

xp

Οὖτις, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:19 (seven years ago)

hate to quote myself online but

I have organized & supported & attended a lot of direct actions over the years, and not once have I seen a target come out to an assembled crowd and happily acquiesce to a clear demand like this. Something remarkable is happening. https://t.co/dFuynhlVUL #GreenNewDeal

— justin jacoby smith (@hoosteen) December 10, 2018

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:21 (seven years ago)

the pain from an economic crash falls on the just and the unjust alike

'08 taught us this is simply not the case.

resident hack (Simon H.), Monday, 10 December 2018 17:25 (seven years ago)

he pain from an economic crash falls on the just and the unjust alike, and disproportionately harms the powerless.

Yeah, I'm leery of burn-it-all-down rhetoric from any side because it's pretty much always the most vulnerable people who get hurt the worst in any upheaval.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 10 December 2018 17:25 (seven years ago)

'08 taught us this is simply not the case.

― resident hack (Simon H.), Monday, December 10, 2018

love you boo but i'm not even going to pretend to hear this, esp given your revision of the quoted sentence

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 10 December 2018 17:29 (seven years ago)

hoos that is AWESOME

Karl Malone, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:30 (seven years ago)

^OTM

rob, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:33 (seven years ago)

that is awesome hoos

maura, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:35 (seven years ago)

HOOS streets

resident hack (Simon H.), Monday, 10 December 2018 17:38 (seven years ago)

awesome!

from his roots driving cab on staten island to the corridors of power...the american dream

No Smockin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 10 December 2018 17:41 (seven years ago)

lol

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:47 (seven years ago)

For that we have to go back to the late 2017 federal disclosure filings that showed Ayers, a 36 year old man with no apparent inherited wealth, was worth between $12.2 and $54.8 million.

Most or all of that money appears to come out of Ayers’ work as a campaign operative in the increasingly lucrative world of dark money politics. There are lots of ways a guy like Ayers gets that money. But the central one is TV advertising. If you control the ad budgets, you get a large slice of the cash for yourself, usually by owning or having a stake in the company that the campaign has place the ads. Reporting from Axios and other outlets last night says that Ayers is planning to run the main pro-Trump outside group America First, which he helped found last year. It seems like it was that gig that made Ayers refuse to give Trump more than a three month commitment.

Put it all together and you see that Ayers is a guy who has already accumulated a staggering personal fortune on political work. Given the inherently lucrative nature of that kind of work and the nose-bleed high tolerance for corruption in the Trump world, running the big unregulated money stream for the President’s reelection campaign is an opportunity to rake in an almost unimaginable amount of money. In perfectly Trumpian fashion, Ayers appears to have stiffed his boss in a richly humiliating way so that he could cash in big time on his name and political movement.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/fast-times-in-user-land

campaign finance reform NOW

Karl Malone, Monday, 10 December 2018 19:44 (seven years ago)

. . . why does that post never use his first name lol

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 10 December 2018 19:46 (seven years ago)

so Judge Ayers looks like young Justice Kavanaugh

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 December 2018 19:46 (seven years ago)

how nice would it be if free-market campaign ads were BANNED and instead there was just a website where each candidate would be allowed to post TWO (2) one-minute long videos + a 3-page PDF laying out their case? that's it. no racist robo-calls, no multi-million ad buys by outsider groups, no targeted glossy mailers, no letters that look like parking ticket violations that are actually from ted cruz. just one fucking website

Karl Malone, Monday, 10 December 2018 19:48 (seven years ago)

Why do u hate free speech

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 10 December 2018 19:49 (seven years ago)

because i only have $134 worth of it

Karl Malone, Monday, 10 December 2018 19:50 (seven years ago)

*checks bank account*

$92

Karl Malone, Monday, 10 December 2018 19:50 (seven years ago)

Alternately, for every person in politics above a certain wealth threshold, perhaps we could publicly distribute the directions to and floorplans of their homes, along with instructions for overriding security systems and information which kinds of sausages Dobermans find the most delicious.

Still can't believe my dog ate my jumprope. (Old Lunch), Monday, 10 December 2018 19:53 (seven years ago)

Republican campaigns are a huge grift, eating their own, overcharging their own donors for services. Grand USA tradition of the venal rich.

Bnad, Monday, 10 December 2018 19:54 (seven years ago)

The second problem beyond the lack of regulations is the lack of enforcement for the regs that exist. So much of this stuff is on an honor system anyway, it's not like there are legions of auditors out there digging into campaign finances.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 10 December 2018 19:54 (seven years ago)

I for one would have supported Supreme Court Justice Bill Ayers

resident hack (Simon H.), Monday, 10 December 2018 19:56 (seven years ago)

it's just such obvious bullshit.

is overturning citizens united a requirement for real campaign finance reform? by which i mean, if by some miracle real reform passed congress and was signed into law, would it immediately face a challenge in the supreme court hinging on their interpretation of citizens united?

Karl Malone, Monday, 10 December 2018 19:57 (seven years ago)

just to define my terms, by "real campaign finance reform" i mean "something that doesn't blow chunks all the time"

Karl Malone, Monday, 10 December 2018 19:57 (seven years ago)

Any new regulations will be challenged, for sure. I guess the key would be writing them in a way calculated to withstand scrutiny from the current court. Which could be hard, but I'm sure there are models out there.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 10 December 2018 19:59 (seven years ago)

This is a good Vox explainer: https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2018/5/7/17325486/citizens-united-money-politics-dark-money-vouchers-primaries. Basically says forget it about overturning Citizens, but there are other avenues. Citizens doesn't restrict disclosure rules, so a first step would be congressional action taking the "dark" out of dark money (even if you can't take out the money).

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 10 December 2018 20:04 (seven years ago)

thanks! i'll give that a read today.

i should also finally get a copy of Jane Mayers' universally praised Dark Money

Karl Malone, Monday, 10 December 2018 20:06 (seven years ago)

If you've been paying attention, then Dark Money may inform you of some details you did not know, but the take-home message will be all-too-depressingly familiar.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 10 December 2018 20:09 (seven years ago)

jesus is going to come back soon and punish the wicked? that's what gets me through the night. come on jesus, dip your sword of vengeful return in the flames of righteousness and reign torment upon us all

Karl Malone, Monday, 10 December 2018 20:11 (seven years ago)

That will be his intention until someone offers him a sweet position in a thinktank and he starts pulling down seven figs with bennies.

Still can't believe my dog ate my jumprope. (Old Lunch), Monday, 10 December 2018 20:15 (seven years ago)

(It's all over once you hear him start to unnecessarily abbreviate words, bruh.)

Still can't believe my dog ate my jumprope. (Old Lunch), Monday, 10 December 2018 20:16 (seven years ago)

karl malone: statehouse numbers https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1z1ydQBJrlnIYqrBiS4M3GQWy_gPeLAPS6Ffd32wmrSQ/edit#gid=1265475948

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 10 December 2018 20:25 (seven years ago)

you can't make seven figs with bennies unless you make a priority of breving words. it's a self-selecting pool. using fewer sybs makes space for more sybs, and you can take that straight to your bottom line

xp

Karl Malone, Monday, 10 December 2018 20:27 (seven years ago)

xp thanks caek! @Taniel is on fire imo

Karl Malone, Monday, 10 December 2018 20:29 (seven years ago)

wrapping up in CA, here's how much the vote shifted (7m vote on election, 5m vote before)

https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-pol-ca-late-vote-shift/

takeways:

- every single congressional race moved towards the democrat with early voting added
- the average move was 2.6%.
- nunes is a legit target in 2020 (won 53/47, can't imagine he's going to cover himself in glory over the next couple of years on intelligence)

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 10 December 2018 20:32 (seven years ago)

is anyone legit surprised by the massive increase in voting by mail, when it is *so much fucking easier* than locating your poll, going there before or after work, standing in line for god knows how long, and figuring out your vote in a tiny booth? like duh. make voting easier and more people will do it.

Οὖτις, Monday, 10 December 2018 20:35 (seven years ago)

word. this is why making election day a holiday would be a time-consuming distraction. i'm sure it would help a bit, but it would be politically difficult (federal legislation). meanwhile: postal voting is right there as an option.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 10 December 2018 20:42 (seven years ago)


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