one out all out: a brexit from the modern world and every one of its problems please (we're all gonna die lol)

Pulling the meaningful vote then losing the vote on the programme motion and it still takes place would be absolute unstoppable peak Theresa May

— Pawel Swidlicki (@pswidlicki) December 10, 2018

absolutely transparently craven self-serving keep-you-in-the-game tactics that should have been her undoing months ago is peak TM to me, but she keeps surviving death. Which as R Pryor pointed out was the ultimate test.

Say all you like but you've got to admire her ... NO YOU FUCKIN' DON'T SHE'S APPALLING.

I will withdraw that remark and call her a FUCKING HERO if she manages to pull this off:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/12/10/going-kill-conservative-party-telegraph-readers-react-brexit/

Bufton Tuftons collapsing face first into the consommé all over the Home Counties.

a boon to the uk's ailing monocle industry with all the popping that's going on today

This must be in the running for most lol government of all time

commons statement starting strong

May says the debate has gone on for three days now.

She has listened very carefully to what has been said, she says.

That triggers loud laughter.

There is broad support for many aspects of the deal, she says.

That triggers more laughter.

But there is opposition to the backstop. If the vote went ahead, it would be lost by a large margin. So the vote will be deferred, she says.

oh god I wish I could watch this at work

believe me, you ain't missing much!

DUP trotting out the “we don’t need a backstop because nobody is going to build a hard border in Ireland anyway” bollocks.

Two years in and it’s still tricky to figure out who is lying and who is just thick here.

there's plenty of thick people who are also lying tbf

Your problem there is assuming everyone isn't both, because there's little on show to support your case.

SNP showing full commitment to banter by offering to bring down the government with Labour.

Has anyone read anything suggesting what May might get from the EU regarding the backstop?

is that even an option the eu is willing to entertain at this point?

The coalition of chaos that Cameron warned us about would be pure bantz!

Worried about the gov falling to chaos

https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2FmzM03zR9Hso%2Fmaxresdefault.jpg&f=1

xxxp my impression is no, but I'm open to wild speculation :) Like, the EU's position as far as I'm aware is "You can't get our blessing if you're going to fuck over Ireland, take as long as you want to solve this, let us know when you're done".

SNP showing full commitment to banter by offering to bring down the government with Labour.

plaid cymru chipping in too now

Or with better words:

Again, at such a key moment in UK and at such high political levels, evidence of deep misunderstanding of EU: The PM is under pressure in some quarters to delay #Brexit vote to allow her first to “improve” deal in Brussels BUT EU is determined not to budge at this stage

— katya adler (@BBCkatyaadler) December 10, 2018

https://static.standard.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2018/12/10/12/pound1.jpg

lol we're all gonna die

It's OK it's just pre-vote uncertainty oh wait

The DUP line has always been “we don’t want a hard border” while clearly wanting a hard border. There was this quote today that made me laugh:

The prime minister must get rid of the backstop. It is not needed. No one is building a “hard-border” between NI and RoI [Republic of Ireland].

I was categorical that pledges, promises or piecemeal remedies will not work. Unless it is part of the legally binding international treaty, it will not fly with the DUP.

Funny time to decide they care about this!

Theresa May, who threw away her own government's majority, triggered Article 50 before deciding what she even wanted to negotiate, then set red lines it was impossible to achieve, tells MPs they must remember their "responsibility" to deliver Brexit.

— Adam Bienkov (@AdamBienkov) December 10, 2018

it's easy to criticize

You can tell it's over for May because everyone keeps posting photos of her standing under an umbrella.

Mrs May, who will meet her EU counterparts in advance of the European Council this week, said that no Brexit deal is available without a backstop, which is designed to avoid a hard border on the island of Ireland post-Brexit.

She said that people living on the Irish border do not want their everyday lives to change as a result of Britain's decision to leave the EU.

Also the sheer brass neck of her invoking border communities when she’s been dancing to the DUP’s time up til now...

Excuse my rudery...

Not trying to make your head explode, but there is a possibility that the govt might not actually be able to pull the vote - at least not without an enormous parliamentary row - (checks Erskine May)

— Laura Kuenssberg (@bbclaurak) December 10, 2018

(Apparently they can but this is still being argued about)

Stephen Bush pointed this out earlier as well:

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2018/12/don-t-believe-hype-there-s-no-pain-free-way-government-cancel-meaningful

"is that even an option the eu is willing to entertain at this point?"

pfft, we've spent 2+ years without listening to which options the EU will and will not entertain, why start now?

That graph there reminds me that there was a thing in the Graun today about Odey and fellow Brexiteers shorting the pound. The Brexity people who get very exercised about George Soros like to say that they're not antisemitic, just very cross that he shorted the pound that one time, which was an insult to our Great British Nation - surely no double standards will apply.

(at one point in this hilarious saga I did idly look into how one actually does this shorting the pound thing - I didn't really work it out tbh but the site I found offering currency shorts seemed to want a minimum bet of £45k, which like ha no, that's very much not in my price range, thanks very much - have to be a good salt of the earth Brexiteer to have that kind of cash lying around for gambling with, I guess)

All the rhetoric coming from May now suggests that she is positioning herself as the only one prepared to deliver Brexit against the wreckers all around her. Which rests on the assumption that this particular version of Brexit actually represents The Will Of The British People, and that seems dubious at best.

It's been dubious ever since she trotted out her red lines tbh

Looking back, it feels like the word omnishambles was a bit wasted on a few days of bad headlines about a budget.

— Kenneth (@Kennyf1283) December 10, 2018

i was wondering what the exact process by which you can do this was:

Downing Street has confirmed that the government will reject John Bercow’s call for a proper vote on delaying tomorrow’s vote. (See 3.59pm.) As the Press Association reports, at a briefing he prime minister’s official spokesman explained the procedure by which the Brexit vote will be deferred. When the Commons clerk reads out the orders of the day on Monday evening, after the final statement, the government whip will call out “tomorrow”. This puts off the two remaining days of debate and any votes until a date yet to be fixed. There is no requirement for vote on this procedure, said the spokesman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yop62wQH498

@YouGov
2h2 hours ago

How would you feel if the government cancelled Brexit and Britain remained a member of the EU?
Betrayed: 24%
Delighted: 23%
Relieved: 13%
Disappointed: 8%
Wouldn’t mind: 8%
Pleased: 7%
Angry: 6%

tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow.

there was a good labour attack on the various votes that have been deferred, on UC, housing etc - the paralysing effect of brexit and it’s circular debates is so damaging. and of course it’s even worse because we’ve got such an insanely centralised country (where Hammond can hand out a “pothole fund” to local councils).

I really hope this Brexit kerfuffle doesn't go on too long and take up too much effort -- there are important things that the UK government needs to do, like get a Minister to decide whether Leeds can build a medium-sized hotel.

— Tom Forth (@thomasforth) December 10, 2018

I think Bradford is still waiting on a Minister to decide whether it can let a developer build 500 homes near a train station. It decided that they could (Leeds too) but it requires a UK Minister to let it go ahead.

— Tom Forth (@thomasforth) December 10, 2018

lol xpost Tom

so is there anywhere i can watch them try to avoid this vote live

what part of you cant have a brexit without sorting put yr only land border which the dup wont allow do these fools just not understand

always been confused by the apparent lack of locally devolved authority round your parts, are there not people constantly banging on about the ancient rights and privileges of the shires or whatever xps

Surely this is the obvious one?

https://youtu.be/29Mg6Gfh9Co

xps

well no, silby, bcz it was tories that began the great removal, and it was a removal of money, and it was a removal of money manily from cities (several not even in shires, let alone ancient)

mainly the shires with privileges are tory, bcz the privilege is that the land is owned by some bastard

I was talking this old guy and he mentioned he used to work for the Savilles and I replied Who? And he looked at me like I was insane and gestured as if "them Savilles that own own everything we survey". I still don't know who the fuck they are tbh.

Jimmy and Pete.

J Saville did own a lot of property iirc?