This is the thread where we discuss matters pertaining to the detrius that accompanies the "End of the Year in Cinema" -- 2018

Roma as emergent consensus fave is awfully boring.

Steven YUM more like

Yeun/Grant is a nice supporting actor pairing, I must say

After watching Paddington 2 last weekend in a catch-up session, I'll agree.

What are the big bear films this year?

And now we arrive at the nadir of detrius, the Oscar-nomination predictions from BFCA, who also throw in predictions for the People's Choice Awards in the bargain:

BEST PICTURE
“Black Panther”
“BlacKkKlansman”
“The Favourite”
“First Man”
“Green Book”
“If Beale Street Could Talk”
“Mary Poppins Returns”
“Roma”
“A Star Is Born”
“Vice”

BEST ACTOR
Christian Bale – “Vice”
Bradley Cooper – “A Star Is Born”
Willem Dafoe – “At Eternity’s Gate”
Ryan Gosling – “First Man”
Ethan Hawke – “First Reformed”
Rami Malek – “Bohemian Rhapsody”
Viggo Mortensen – “Green Book”

BEST ACTRESS
Yalitza Aparicio – “Roma”
Emily Blunt – “Mary Poppins Returns”
Glenn Close – “The Wife”
Toni Collette – “Hereditary”
Olivia Colman – “The Favourite”
Lady Gaga – “A Star Is Born”
Melissa McCarthy – “Can You Ever Forgive Me?”

BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR
Mahershala Ali – “Green Book”
Timothée Chalamet – “Beautiful Boy”
Adam Driver – “BlacKkKlansman”
Sam Elliott – “A Star Is Born”
Richard E. Grant – “Can You Ever Forgive Me?”
Michael B. Jordan – “Black Panther”

BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS
Amy Adams – “Vice”
Claire Foy – “First Man”
Nicole Kidman – “Boy Erased”
Regina King – “If Beale Street Could Talk”
Emma Stone – “The Favourite”
Rachel Weisz – “The Favourite”

BEST YOUNG ACTOR/ACTRESS
Elsie Fisher – “Eighth Grade”
Thomasin McKenzie – “Leave No Trace”
Ed Oxenbould – “Wildlife”
Millicent Simmonds – “A Quiet Place”
Amandla Stenberg – “The Hate U Give”
Sunny Suljic – “Mid90s”

BEST ACTING ENSEMBLE
“Black Panther”
“Crazy Rich Asians”
“The Favourite”
“Vice”
“Widows”

BEST DIRECTOR
Damien Chazelle – “First Man”
Bradley Cooper – “A Star Is Born”
Alfonso Cuarón – “Roma”
Peter Farrelly – “Green Book”
Yorgos Lanthimos – “The Favourite”
Spike Lee – “BlacKkKlansman”
Adam McKay – “Vice”

BEST ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY
Bo Burnham – “Eighth Grade”
Alfonso Cuarón – “Roma”
Deborah Davis and Tony McNamara – “The Favourite”
Adam McKay – “Vice”
Paul Schrader – “First Reformed”
Nick Vallelonga, Brian Hayes Currie, Peter Farrelly – “Green Book”
Bryan Woods, Scott Beck, John Krasinski – “A Quiet Place”

BEST ADAPTED SCREENPLAY
Ryan Coogler, Joe Robert Cole – “Black Panther”
Nicole Holofcener, Jeff Whitty – “Can You Ever Forgive Me?”
Barry Jenkins – “If Beale Street Could Talk”
Eric Roth and Bradley Cooper & Will Fetters – “A Star Is Born”
Josh Singer – “First Man”
Charlie Wachtel & David Rabinowitz and Kevin Willmott & Spike Lee – “BlacKkKlansman”

BEST CINEMATOGRAPHY
Alfonso Cuarón – “Roma”
James Laxton – “If Beale Street Could Talk”
Matthew Libatique – “A Star Is Born”
Rachel Morrison – “Black Panther”
Robbie Ryan – “The Favourite”
Linus Sandgren – “First Man”

BEST PRODUCTION DESIGN
Hannah Beachler, Jay Hart – “Black Panther”
Eugenio Caballero, Barbara Enriquez – “Roma”
Nelson Coates, Andrew Baseman – “Crazy Rich Asians”
Fiona Crombie, Alice Felton – “The Favourite”
Nathan Crowley, Kathy Lucas – “First Man”
John Myhre, Gordon Sim – “Mary Poppins Returns”

BEST EDITING
Jay Cassidy – “A Star Is Born”
Hank Corwin – “Vice”
Tom Cross – “First Man”
Alfonso Cuarón, Adam Gough – “Roma”
Yorgos Mavropsaridis – “The Favourite”
Joe Walker – “Widows”

BEST COSTUME DESIGN
Alexandra Byrne – “Mary Queen of Scots”
Ruth Carter – “Black Panther”
Julian Day – “Bohemian Rhapsody”
Sandy Powell – “The Favourite”
Sandy Powell – “Mary Poppins Returns”

BEST HAIR AND MAKEUP
“Black Panther”
“Bohemian Rhapsody”
“The Favourite”
“Mary Queen of Scots”
“Suspiria
“Vice”

BEST VISUAL EFFECTS
“Avengers: Infinity War”
“Black Panther”
“First Man”
“Mary Poppins Returns”
“Mission: Impossible – Fallout”
“Ready Player One”

BEST ANIMATED FEATURE
“The Grinch”
“Incredibles 2”
“Isle of Dogs”
“Mirai”
“Ralph Breaks the Internet”
“Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse”

BEST ACTION MOVIE
“Avengers: Infinity War”
“Black Panther”
“Deadpool 2”
“Mission: Impossible – Fallout”
“Ready Player One”
“Widows”

BEST COMEDY
“Crazy Rich Asians”
“Deadpool 2”
“The Death of Stalin”
“The Favourite”
“Game Night”
“Sorry to Bother You”

BEST ACTOR IN A COMEDY
Christian Bale – “Vice”
Jason Bateman – “Game Night”
Viggo Mortensen – “Green Book”
John C. Reilly – “Stan & Ollie”
Ryan Reynolds – “Deadpool 2”
Lakeith Stanfield – “Sorry to Bother You”

BEST ACTRESS IN A COMEDY
Emily Blunt – “Mary Poppins Returns”
Olivia Colman – “The Favourite”
Elsie Fisher – “Eighth Grade”
Rachel McAdams – “Game Night”
Charlize Theron – “Tully”
Constance Wu – “Crazy Rich Asians”

BEST SCI-FI OR HORROR MOVIE
“Annihilation”
“Halloween”
“Hereditary”
“A Quiet Place”
“Suspiria”

BEST FOREIGN LANGUAGE FILM
“Burning”
“Capernaum”
“Cold War”
“Roma”
“Shoplifters”

BEST SONG
All the Stars – “Black Panther”
Girl in the Movies – “Dumplin’”
I’ll Fight – “RBG”
The Place Where Lost Things Go – “Mary Poppins Returns”
Shallow – “A Star Is Born”
Trip a Little Light Fantastic – “Mary Poppins Returns”

BEST SCORE
Kris Bowers – “Green Book”
Nicholas Britell – “If Beale Street Could Talk”
Alexandre Desplat – “Isle of Dogs”
Ludwig Göransson – “Black Panther”
Justin Hurwitz – “First Man”
Marc Shaiman – “Mary Poppins Returns”

I love how they threw in every contender in every category.

They seem to not have gotten the memo re: First Man tho

Hey, Glenn Close finally got a crix award. (San Diego.)

sight & sound: https://www.bfi.org.uk/best-films-2018

1. roma
2. phantom thread
3. burning
4. cold war
5. first reformed
6. leave no trace
7. the favourite
7. you were never really here
9. happy as lazzaro
9. zama
11. the image book
12. if beale street could talk
13. blackkklansman
14. the other side of the wind
14. shirkers
14. shoplifters
17. sorry to bother you
18. faces places
18. the rider
18. western

if it tops one more thing I'm joining Soto on the Roma haterade parade

lol, i knew some people were fooled but cold war at 4 is a shock. some of the better stuff here, zama and western, placed higher last year

I've read some good things about Cold War but haven't seen it. I guess Ash Is Purest White isn't getting a release anywhere until 2019

(anywhere outside of China/Hong Kong)

San Diego:

Best Picture: LEAVE NO TRACE (Runner Up: GREEN BOOK)
Best Director: Debra Granik, LEAVE NO TRACE (Runner Up: Peter Farrelly, GREEN BOOK)
Best Actor: Ethan Hawke, FIRST REFORMED (Runner Up: Viggo Mortensen, GREEN BOOK)
Best Actress: Glenn Close, THE WIFE (Runner Up: Melissa McCarthy, CAN YOU EVER FORGIVE ME?)
Best Supporting Actor: TIE – Richard E. Grant, CAN YOU EVER FORGIVE ME? & Timothée Chalamet, BEAUTIFUL BOY
Best Supporting Actress: Nicole Kidman, BOY ERASED (Running Up: Nina Arianda, STAN & OLLIE)
Best Comedic Performance: Hugh Grant, PADDINGTON 2 (Runner Up: Jesse Plemons, GAME NIGHT)
Best Original Screenplay: Bo Burnham, EIGHTH GRADE (Runner Up: Nick Vallelonga, Brian Hayes Currie, Peter Farrelly, GREEN BOOK)
Best Adapted Screenplay: Armando Iannucci, David Schneider, Ian Martin, Peter Fellows, Fabien Nury, THE DEATH OF STALIN (Runner Up: Joel Edgerton, BOY ERASED)
Best Documentary: THREE IDENTICAL STRANGERS (Runner Up: FREE SOLO)
Best Animated Film: ISLE OF DOGS (Runner Up: SPIDER-MAN: INTO THE SPIDER-VERSE)
Best Foreign Language Film: SHOPLIFTERS (Runner Up: CAPERNAUM)
Breakthrough Artist: Thomasin McKenzie, LEAVE NO TRACE (Runner Up: Charlie Plummer, LEAN ON PETE)
Best Ensemble: GAME NIGHT (Runner Up: THE FAVOURITE)

I'm imagining the....vertigo from Leave No Trace to Green Book

haven't seen any of these films but it seems like the choices of the San Diego critics are more interesting than those of any of the other critics groups

Sight and Sound

Fun fact: ZAMA got 15 votes in this year's @SightSoundmag poll (placing ninth) and 27 votes in last year's (placing fourth). Combined, that's more votes than either this year's or last year's #1 films received. https://t.co/AmvOK2fNWg

— Guy Lodge (@GuyLodge) December 11, 2018

GAME NIGHT for Best Ensemble is pretty lol, don't really get the appeal of that movie at all tbh

Any movie that gives off the impression that there's any remaining hope for even halfway respectable, non-franchise popular filmmaking is cause for celebration.

(That said, saw First Man last night and *shrug*.)

Think Western also appeared in this year and last year's S&S poll.

Join us tonight at 7pm as we reveal our Best Films of 2018 poll live at @FilmLinc! The event will feature a discussion with @melvillmatic, @haskmoll, @sheilakathleen, @NickPinkerton & @NicolasRapold: https://t.co/nF2LgEXHPd pic.twitter.com/hUYjcspmeO

— Film Comment Magazine (@FilmComment) December 11, 2018

Is Cuaron good now or something?

It took B&W proletariat chic to make him acceptable to critics groups.

i think my favorite film by him is A Little Princess

Well played.

Meanwhile ...

i'm sorry, what pic.twitter.com/KhR7y34qSm

— 𝔱𝔥𝔢 𝔥𝔞𝔫𝔱𝔞 𝔠𝔩𝔞𝔲𝔰 (@goodjobliz) December 11, 2018

new issue of s&s confirmed as thicc

— 𝔱𝔥𝔢 𝔥𝔞𝔫𝔱𝔞 𝔠𝔩𝔞𝔲𝔰 (@goodjobliz) December 11, 2018

Hasn't Cuaron been good for a while? I don't care much for him, but Children of Men and Gravity were better than so much else. I mean, at least he's not Inarritu.

Roma sure looks like navel-gazing awardsbait. But Children Of Men is shaping up as the best sci-fi film of the century, and Gravity was fantastic on the largest screen in the US, and then the largest screen on the planet, so I'm expecting Roma to be better than it appears from two stills and a summary.

(Y Tu Mama was a perfectly okay piece of teensploitation, haven't seen his others.)

I'd add his good Harry Potter gun-for-hire too.

Adam Nayman said something about how Roma comes on like it expects judges' scores to be held up at the end of every shot, which made me laugh no matter whether it's true or not.

it is absolutely accurate

hahaha that is awesome

I'm eager to see it this weekend after reading so much *around* it (I still have no idea wtf the movie is about)

Cuaron’s 2000s run is indeed fantastic; Gravity killed my enthusiasm for a bit, though I admit that it might be one film that suffered considerably by my not seeing it theatrically.

yeah I remember liking Gravity fine but I saw it in a theater, front row. probably would've turned it off if I tried at home

I saw it in 3D and thought the spaceships looked like big blobs of plasticine that looked ridiculous but apparently that was my eyes not this film.

Film Comment contributors/editors Poll:

01. Zama
02. Burning
03. First Reformed
04. Roma
05. Western
06. Shoplifters
07. Let the Sunshine In
08. The Other Side of the Wind
09. Happy As Lazzaro
10. Hale County This Morning, This Evening

https://www.filmcomment.com/best-films-of-2018/

SAG nominations are the first (probably only) wrench in the Regina King runaway. (And, as I said before, the Ethan Hawke portion of our tour through detrius looks to be over.)

Supporting Actor
Mahershala Ali, Green Book
Timothee Chalamet, Beautiful Boy
Adam Driver, BlacKkKlansman
Sam Elliott, A Star is Born
Richard E. Grant, Can You Ever Forgive Me?

Supporting Actress
Amy Adams, Vice
Emily Blunt, A Quiet Place
Margot Robbie, Mary, Queen of Scots
Emma Stone, The Favourite
Rachel Weisz, The Favourite

Lead Actor
Christian Bale, Vice
Bradley Cooper, A Star is Born
Rami Malek, Bohemian Rhapsody
Viggo Mortensen, Green Book
John David Washington, BlacKkKlansman

Lead Actress
Emily Blunt, Mary Poppins Returns
Glenn Close, The Wife
Olivia Colman, The Favourite
Lady Gaga, A Star is Born
Melissa McCarthy, Can You Ever Forgive Me?

Motion Picture Cast
Black Panther
BlacKkKlansman
Bohemian Rhapsody
Crazy Rich Asians
A Star is Born

Emily Blunt getting that second nomination for A Quiet Place makes Toni Collette's snub seem even more pointed.

Oh, and for some reason, Film Comment now adds the other half of their top 20 that wasn't there last night:

Film Comment contributors/editors Poll:

01. Zama
02. Burning
03. First Reformed
04. Roma
05. Western
06. Shoplifters
07. Let the Sunshine In
08. The Other Side of the Wind
09. Happy As Lazzaro
10. Hale County This Morning, This Evening
11. Sorry to Bother You
12. If Beale Street Could Talk
13. The Rider
14. The Ballad of Buster Scruggs
15. Support the Girls
16. You Were Never Really Here
17. Monrovia, Indiana
18. Personal Problems
19. The Favourite
20. BlacKkKlansman

Supporting actor noms set in stone, I see.

Basically.

armond tweeted at me

What did he tweet?

for good or ill? i bet i can guess

Zama is thoroughly respectable and well made, but i'll have to give it another look (NYFF, Oct '17)

Zama was so fucking good, can't wait to give it a very high placing in my ilx ballot.

How is Burning?

It's OK, with a few transcendent scenes. Overlong and the ending doesn't really work.