he was great
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 9 December 2018 18:41 (five years ago) link
The more i think about this overall, the more I like it
― Οὖτις, Sunday, 9 December 2018 19:01 (five years ago) link
I like the final segment a lot. It's funny and it's nice to have one that's all dialogue, since the others are filled with characters who either don't talk much or are having one-sided conversations.
― change display name (Jordan), Sunday, 9 December 2018 19:22 (five years ago) link
this was a lot better than i had expected. still somewhat half-assed in execution and obviously "a minor work" as you'd expect for a netflix orig, but imo the episodic structure is a good venue for that. the violence was fun
― flopson, Monday, 10 December 2018 03:00 (five years ago) link
I just read the Jack London story that the Tom Waits segment is based on. Nothing about a leprechaun in there (although we can't dismiss the possibility of the Coens taking some artistic license)
― Number None, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 21:39 (five years ago) link
each segment should've ended in a freeze frame that morphs into a comic book page. then the crypt keeper comes on and makes some wacky macabre pun about the ordeal.
― andrew m., Tuesday, 11 December 2018 22:35 (five years ago) link
plus cackling
― andrew m., Tuesday, 11 December 2018 22:37 (five years ago) link
although we can't dismiss the possibility of the Coens taking some artistic license
That's my thinking. I mean, why wouldn't they?
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 23:13 (five years ago) link
I shared the leprechaun theory with a colleague at my department Christmas party last night, and he laughed for a solid minute.
― Timothée Charalambides (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 23:22 (five years ago) link
I'ma die on this hill I guess.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 23:25 (five years ago) link
the funny thing is it's the kind of detail that's open to interpretation (imo) and also totally inconsequential to the general tenor of the story
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 23:26 (five years ago) link
Yeah. It's in no way important to the story itself. It's completely a creation of the costume designer and maybe/maybe not the Coens being silly.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 23:28 (five years ago) link
there is a supernatural air to this passage from the story tbf
He did not spring up nor look around. He did not move. He was considering the nature of the premonition he had received, trying to locate the source of the mysterious force that had warned him, striving to sense the imperative presence of the unseen thing that threatened him. There is an aura of things hostile, made manifest by messengers refined for the senses to know; and this aura he felt, but knew not how he felt it. His was the feeling as when a cloud passes over the sun. It seemed that between him and life had passed something dark and smothering and menacing; a gloom, as it were, that swallowed up life and made for death—his death.Every force of his being impelled him to spring up and confront the unseen danger, but his soul dominated the panic, and he remained squatting on his heels, in his hands a chunk of gold. He did not dare to look around, but he knew by now that there was something behind him and above him. He made believe to be interested in the gold in his hand. He examined it critically, turned it over and over, and rubbed the dirt from it. And all the time he knew that something behind him was looking at the gold over his shoulder. Still feigning interest in the chunk of gold in his hand, he listened intently and he heard the breathing of the thing behind him. Possibly it was a leprechaun of some kind.
Every force of his being impelled him to spring up and confront the unseen danger, but his soul dominated the panic, and he remained squatting on his heels, in his hands a chunk of gold. He did not dare to look around, but he knew by now that there was something behind him and above him. He made believe to be interested in the gold in his hand. He examined it critically, turned it over and over, and rubbed the dirt from it. And all the time he knew that something behind him was looking at the gold over his shoulder. Still feigning interest in the chunk of gold in his hand, he listened intently and he heard the breathing of the thing behind him. Possibly it was a leprechaun of some kind.
― Number None, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 23:33 (five years ago) link
lol
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 23:42 (five years ago) link
impeccable timing
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 23:44 (five years ago) link
https://i.makeagif.com/media/2-24-2017/Q7r-nN.gif
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 23:45 (five years ago) link
HAHAHA
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 01:03 (five years ago) link
excellent
― Sufjan Grafton, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 01:20 (five years ago) link
I need to rewatch, but I totally think it's possible the Coens saw the Leprechaun parallels and played into it a bit without literally trying to say the dude was a Leprechaun.
― circa1916, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 01:28 (five years ago) link
Leprechauns? That's where the Coens are Vikings!
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 02:23 (five years ago) link
Leprechaun Returns out today fyi
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 02:52 (five years ago) link
n 'All Gold Canyon,' the stranger/claim jumper who shot Tom Waits' prospector in the back was actually a leprechaun protecting his "pot o' gold," y/n?He's wearing all green, he's appears out of nowhere, and he doesn't act with any urgency to collect the gold Waits found. He, instead, smokes a cigarette calmly and sits down like "got another one."
He's wearing all green, he's appears out of nowhere, and he doesn't act with any urgency to collect the gold Waits found. He, instead, smokes a cigarette calmly and sits down like "got another one."
When I first read this, I thought you were literally saying that the character is a leprechaun and this is a salient part of the plot, which seemed far-fetched. If the idea is more that the costume designer was drawing on leprechaun-like archetypes in the character's outfit, as a sort of joke, without it necessarily making the character a leprechaun in any substantive way that would matter to the story, that does seem more plausible.
― Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 03:51 (five years ago) link
what if leprechauns were just a mythical representation of claim jumpers the whole time? always hoarding gold, just out of our reach
― mh, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 03:53 (five years ago) link
In the original Jack London story, the fact that the gold does NOT belong to the claim jumper is absolutely essential to the story. Even hinting that this was in some way a legitimate act, protecting the murderer's legitimate rights to the gold turns the entire story on its head.
But such a reversal of roles makes zero sense. The deeper moral outrage of the story is predicated on the idea that, not only does the stranger murder the prospector for the gold, but he purposely waits around before killing him, so the prospector would do all the hard physical work for him. He not just greedy and violent, he's lazy, too.
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 04:01 (five years ago) link
did anyone imply the claim jumper was ever in the right
― mh, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 04:12 (five years ago) link
I mean, it would be implied if he was a leprechaun...
― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 04:13 (five years ago) link
so mythical beings have property rights now? pshaw
― mh, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 04:19 (five years ago) link
ersatz pshaw. I'm not buying it.
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 04:32 (five years ago) link
― circa1916, Tuesday, December 11, 2018 8:28 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Thank you! Seriously...
― Evan, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 04:47 (five years ago) link
Just what are the property rights of leprechauns, this needs to be sorted out
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 05:22 (five years ago) link
They own this shit over here, ok?
https://media.fromthegrapevine.com/assets/images/2017/2/rainbow-israel-0208.jpg.480x0_q71_crop-scale.jpg
― Evan, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 05:42 (five years ago) link
Aimless otm“claim jumper is a leprechaun” makes the whole story so on the nose as to be pointless. leave Johnny Fever to his lucky charms fanfic, i beg you all
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 06:31 (five years ago) link
hmmm, you eat lucky charms from a cereal bowl
― Sufjan Grafton, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 07:15 (five years ago) link
I started watching this. First 2 segments are solid gold. 3rd is weird but kind of interesting. 4th is kinda boring so far.
― o. nate, Saturday, 15 December 2018 03:47 (five years ago) link
I generally liked this! No outright bad episodes -- though the most promising, with Zoe Kazan and Bill Heck, is where I overdosed on the cruelty -- and several ace ones, including the Tom Waits prospector and "The Meal Ticket."
I am familiar with counting chickens in sideshows.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 December 2018 05:36 (five years ago) link
Yeah, “Meal Ticket” and “The Prospector” are def the two that have stayed with me the most, I still think about them a lot. also where do you stand on ‘claimjumper is a leprechaun’
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 20 December 2018 05:48 (five years ago) link
hadn't occurred to me, sure n' begorrah
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 December 2018 11:37 (five years ago) link
I'm willing to accept the guy as a leprechaun because it's not the only, or even the most, unrealistic thing in the episode. The prospector gets shot in the back and just carries on like nbd? They're both supernatural beings!
― WmC, Thursday, 20 December 2018 13:46 (five years ago) link
I honestly thought that happens all the time in the US tbh.
― calzino, Thursday, 20 December 2018 13:52 (five years ago) link
"Hyper-resilient old prospector" makes more sense to me in the context of a Western homage than "gun-wielding, smoking, human-sized leprechaun stopping by from Celtic myths to protect a pocket of gold".
― Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Thursday, 20 December 2018 14:31 (five years ago) link
Tbf I never said he WAS a leprechaun, I said he LOOKED like a leprechaun
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 20 December 2018 15:30 (five years ago) link
― Evan, Thursday, 20 December 2018 15:51 (five years ago) link
"Hyper-resilient old prospector" makes more sense to me in the context of a Western homage than "gun-wielding, smoking, human-sized leprechaun stopping by from Celtic myths to protect a pocket of gold".― Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Thursday, December 20, 2018 9:31 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Thursday, December 20, 2018 9:31 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Coen Brothers, meet Neil Gaiman's American Gods. Gaiman, meet the Coen Brothers.
― I Feel Bad About My Butt (j.lu), Thursday, 20 December 2018 15:59 (five years ago) link
The prospector gets shot in the back and just carries on like nbd?
IT DINT HIT NOTHIN' IMPORTANT
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 December 2018 17:25 (five years ago) link
Johnny Fever originated the leprechaun theory, and as far as I can tell he did mean a literal leprechaun
― Number None, Thursday, 20 December 2018 17:26 (five years ago) link
yeah, well
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 20 December 2018 17:28 (five years ago) link
btw Nelson, Kazan and Bill Heck did a Q&A after the screening at MoMA last night. Nelson said he first saw a script or treatment for his segment in 2002, I think?
Kazan said she prepared by re-reading Willa Cather. Not the history ("I'd done a shit-ton of research for Meek's Cutoff" -- which i'd forgotten she was in).
The digitalness of the imagery was distracting at times, like in the opening scene, where I doubt TB Nelson was anywhere near Monument Valley.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 December 2018 17:30 (five years ago) link
The whole YOU HAVE DIED OF DYSENTERY oregon trail bit I did tap out on tbrh
cholera, i'm pretty sure
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 December 2018 18:18 (five years ago) link
this was def the hottest i've seen Franco looking in years... but Bill Heck tops him (heh heh)
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 December 2018 21:17 (five years ago) link
I not only found Franco attractive in the film (which is rare) but I actually enjoyed his performance (which is even rarer).
― Timothée Charalambides (cryptosicko), Thursday, 20 December 2018 21:50 (five years ago) link