one out all out: a brexit from the modern world and every one of its problems please (we're all gonna die lol)

rip moaty need you now more than ever

I think trying to predict the disruptions is kind of a fool’s errand; not overly convinced by any government’s ability to predict economic outcomes.

gascoigne turning up to the perimeter of the talks with a kfc would be fuckin good stuff tho

I'm told someone called Phil Nutsall has just quit something called UKAP.

Rebrand Ukip as Football Dads Against Islams and Peeds, job done

"Football Dads Against Islams and Peeds (unaffiliated with Fathers 4 Justice)"

Think I shd've got Cosplay in there somehow as a tribute to Yakkety-Yaxley-Lennon's realprole fetish

xp
or you could just truncate it down to burnley fc supporters club.

Obviously this has nothing to do with a drift to the right and everything to do with no longer being able to look respectable to the sort of people who will happily indulge in a bit of ninth-hole racist banter but might feel a bit squeamish about marching on Whitechapel or kicking an immigrant's head in.

It's nineteenth hole, you'll never be a member tsk tsk

I don't know, maybe halfway through a round is the perfect time for racist banter.

I'm guessing the entire fucking round tbf

feel attacked rn

I mean, there already is a Football Lads Alliance (and they're doing more antifascist work than 'the left' according to Spiked!)

You know I like golf darragh! Racist company director golf isn't really golf tho

It is the only golf.

‘Respectable’ Golf Nazis are the engine of Brexit, because they manipulate the narrative, are the boss class and just sit back with a gin in the clubhouse while Football Dads make all the uncouth noise in public.

Lyn, idea for new sport... goalf. Same principles as golf, with landscape and distance providing obstacle/challenge, but instead people are kicking a ball towards a five a side goal

Reasonable centrists have a golden opportunity to join UKIP and change it for the better.

By renaming it UKIND

United
Kind
Immigration still a concern
Nice
Damn good at PMQs

— Simon Hedges (@Orwell_Fan) December 7, 2018

Guys I'm pretty sure that Priti Patel just advocated the threat of a famine as negotiating tactic.

Pretty sure Ireland is familiar with that tactic

She must be on holiday again.

Priti making a very good case for a United Ireland even though the Irish food shortage claims has already been debunked as bollocks.

Fiona Bruce confirmed as new host of Question Time, or as it's known in some circles Antiques Roadshow *sends joke to HIGNFY*

gottem, king

we have discussed this priti bad idea all day non?

It's nonsense, do we not even have gunboats any more?

you used to be able to kick a torpedo in the street

Not even allowed to say "Bomb Dublin" in these so-called politically correct times

Bit electiony... 🤔 pic.twitter.com/QlieEMlZlS

— Faisal Islam (@faisalislam) December 7, 2018

s/o to the guy on the channel 4 JRM/campbellclaret brexit doco whose wife dumped him when she found out he voted leave

https://youtu.be/garkqN9PZ-U?t=282

Someone who commented on that video on twitter described JRM as a haunted victorian pencil which made me lol

I would say he's an outlier. I've heard TV reporters say a lot of people they interview don't like saying it's about immigration on camera but that's what they say off camera.

― Monica Kindle (Tom D.),

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/brexit/2018/12/seven-rules-remainers-if-they-want-win-people-s-vote

The truth is, there’s a lot of things that people on both sides of that vote agree on, perhaps more than you would imagine – 57 per cent prioritise free trade over cutting immigration, for instance.

I don't know, I think there's truth to this. Are people in 2018 really that cowed that they're frightened to say its immigration if thats what it is? Unless we're saying that unconsciously its immigration but they're deluding themselves and pretending they just want some ECJ sovereignty. I could agree with that on some level.

I def think immigration is part of it, I'm just not sure its as central as its made out to be. This was Milibands mistake?

They don't want to be seen publicly expressing views they realize they might be judged harshly for, they might be embarrassed - is that being cowed? It's like the Shy Tory vote. That New Statesman thing is hideous btw. I'm voting Leave.

is ian leslie the brother of chris “how was I ever shadow chancellor” leslie?

“British values of common sense, and fixing stuff.”

those famously british values - much on display these past few years

"Which side of the curiosity divide are you on?" asks the blurb of one of Ian Leslies's books. He's obv a deep tinker and possibly not related to Chris "we need Labour to appeal to Which magazine readers and not those fucking scratters that go to Brighthouse" Leslie.

lol at the 3-day Anglican Brexit prayer vigil

deep tinker is a slur imo

I've got pure Tinker DNA, so eat my post!

God of eternal love and power,

Save our parliamentary democracy;

Protect our High Court of Parliament and all its members

lol, some good ol' lamer Anglican Bishop babble is just what we need rn, yeah I'll say a prayer for Gove and Amber Rudd - but just one hoping that they die!

They don't want to be seen publicly expressing views they realize they might be judged harshly for, they might be embarrassed - is that being cowed? It's like the Shy Tory vote. That New Statesman thing is hideous btw. I'm voting Leave.

I dunno, I think this shy tory thing is overstated, and I don't think shy brexiteer exists. its a mania, why would they be manic but take care to hide this one aspect

"I support hanging, immediate nuclear war, workhouses, removal of all benefits but I'm too shy to say I want to reduce immigration"? The people who want immigration cut aren't shy about it in the least, I don't know why we're reluctant to believe peoples stated reasons for being pro-brexit

Maybe it's because immigration seemed like the only tangible reason to vote Leave (in the minds of those who did or nearly did) - something that decision can have a REAL impact on whereas the other reasons were more ideological or solely based on principle ('we' should make our own laws etc. whether or not 'we' notice any difference in practice).

Well this is the thing, many of the reasons seem existential rather than tangible

I'm not looking to downplay immigration as being a factor in all this, I just dont see it as being the primary factor and "well when they said it was xyz what they really meant was its immigration" doesn't hold enough water. The ones that do say its immigration aren't shy about it, and pro-leave people are across the political spectrum. We seem to be painting them as mainly EDL'rs and a few Dennis Skinners dotted around, I dont understand the reductionism

ian and chris def related - cousins, if not brothers

I'll probably always think of 'immigration concerns' as the primary factor but I've never thought of it as the dominant one. I could probably list six or seven that seem different enough from each other. I don't deny being in a bubble about it though - still never met anyone who's even said they voted Leave let alone why.

So, there's going to be a Brexit-betrayal march, headed by yax, I know because the BBC said. Are they going to cover it live? Laura kussenberg walking alongside? etc

I don't deny being in a bubble about it though - still never met anyone who's even said they voted Leave let alone why.

Could be a thread to collate these, I'm not going to say I know a load of people that voted leave, but or the ones that I know that did the reasons ranged from "I don't like the way the EU treats farm animals", through "they don't like us do they?" to plain old "couldn't get any worse so why not". Its tempting to attribute a coherent view down when I don't know how often there really even is one

I'll probably always think of 'immigration concerns' as the primary factor but I've never thought of it as the dominant one.

Aren't all of the reasons related to the idea that 'Britain' or 'Britishness' is being polluted and debased by external factors? It's typical right-wing 'declinism', whether manifested as anti-immigrant feeling, 'sovereignty' concerns, complaints about quasi-PC interference in British 'common sense' etc.

Yes but that stuff wouldn't resonate so much were it not for the visible and tangible signs of decline all over the place. Austerity and the ongoing economic trough may not have been many people's stated reasons for voting leave but they certainly provided the mood music.