Democratic (Party) Direction

clearly what he shd have posted is "listening to AOC makes me believe that very little is possible and we should all give up now"

C'mon Doc I'm an inspiration merchant I sympathize but

I didn't think "don't paint yr public-servant boss like a messianic prophet" would be a controversial principle but here we are

I think AOC has potential to be a pretty significant force in the democratic party, but getting peoples' hopes up about her actually achieving anything in the near future is only gonna disillusion them. unless all they want from her is to own ppl on twitter, in that case, anything is possible.

i do think the goosing her spotlight has given the green new deal is both uniquely possible because of who she is and has already irrevocably changed american climate politics

she's arguably done more for climate issues than any other Dem pol in the last 30 years and she's not even seated yet

that is a demonstrable falsheood

falsehood

Pelosi passed bills and Obama issued significant rules and treaty commitments

so far her accomplishments are zero, let's be real. she's hitting the ground running and that's great but come on.

"messianic prophet" ? she makes him believe a better world is achievable. isn't that a basic assumption of anybody advancing a progressive agenda? "progress" and all?

and it's not like he said "AOC makes me believe only she can bring a better world." i know we're all cynics here but imo "this politician inspires me" is not in and of itself a dangerous or doomed-to-fail notion.

she's arguably done more for climate issues than any other Dem pol in the last 30 years and she's not even seated yet

― frogbs, Thursday, December 6, 2018 1

oh come now

the only people who care about sub coldplay music paired with an arundhati roy quote are posting in this thread fwiw

sorry just trying to make up for my "left wing Tomi Lahren" comment

hope we're even now

(that said I really like the idea of 30-ish congresspeople taking up the issue rather than someone like Pelosi)

so far her accomplishments are zero, let's be real. she's hitting the ground running and that's great but come on.

― Οὖτις, Thursday, December 6, 2018 6:58 PM (twenty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

her accomplishments aren't heroically epic, being not yet seated, but they're not zero either

the way she's denaturalized the politics of how congress pays its staff & interns, the way she's directed her star power to raise the profile of issues & approaches that themselves have been off the table for serious discussion --that's not nothing

I for one am mainly enjoying these little glimpses into just how insane/inane Washington political orthodoxy is

Right now Freshman members of Congress are at a “Bipartisan” orientation w/ briefings on issues.

Invited panelists offer insights to inform new Congressmembers‘ views as they prepare to legislate.

# of Corporate CEOs we’ve listened to here: 4
# of Labor leaders: 0

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@Ocasio2018) December 6, 2018

yeah I really like that she's lifting the curtain on some of this stuff that people never talk about

yup yup

agreed, good stuff

I have no idea whether the Green New Deal will result in a federal climate law two or five or 10 years from now. The proposal clearly has momentum on the left. Since early November, I’ve seen the Green New Deal talked about as a story of Democrats in disarray, or as another example of the party’s turn toward socialism. Both analyses miss the mark. The Green New Deal is one of the most interesting—and strategic—left-wing policy interventions from the Democratic Party in years.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/12/ocasio-cortez-green-new-deal-winning-climate-strategy/576514/?fbclid=IwAR3jKPtZ-aU6c9ZbUWOJ1dH2YfvWiPLNb3zFbV9kZn27Pj3ExZejph9831U

AOC in congress is already more than I hoped for and she's not even in congress yet.

ditto

joe manchin, ladies & gents

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIJORBRpOPM

reminds me of this classic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU7fhIO7DG0

Green New Deal is a jobs program. Climate change won't be solved by solar rooftops in the 'hood. Maybe once we're screaming past 2° C in the 40s we'll get the universal and high carbon price (with mandatory tariffs against noncompliant nations/cheaters) that might actually rein in emissions.

There isnt even a bill yet, how do u know whats in it

On a train to Philly on Monday I sat next to this guy who was talking on the phone about the Green New Deal and that it was "PR, not policy" and that they needed to come up with a sustainable policy that both sides could agree on and that he didn't have Pelosi's ear. I am dying to figure out who he was. I couldn't covertly read his laptop. All I know is that he has a daughter named Lily who was in trouble with her school for giving an exam or answers to another student (I also heard this conversation).

how do u know whats in it

Interview with Greg Carlock, lead author

unless all they want from her is to own ppl on twitter,

Tbf, that's the only thing Trump is good at, and he's nominally president.

when was the last time he convincingly owned anyone on twitter?

Well, I'm not convinced! But given we all hate him but still know all his catchphrases, nicknames, insults and putdowns - probably dozens at this point - he must be doing something right, even if we don't like it.

i don't remember any of his nicknames beyond "pocahontas"

they're all interchangeable adjectives

that seemed to pour out indiscriminately from his almost entirely liquefied brain

Little Marco was good

what about Highly Conflicted Mueller & The Angry Democrats? Lyin' Ted Cruz?

Low Energy Jeb! Lying Ted! Very Conflicted Mueller! (They can't all be winners.)

how soon we forget the only actually funny Trump nickname

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-may-replace-jim-mattis-new-nickname-moderate-dog-2018-9

Isn't it 10 Angry Democrats or something?

Lil Bob Corker, Adam Schitt.

Interview with Greg Carlock, lead author

I will listen to this later but again, no bill has been introduced (Congress isn't even in session yet) so I am p skeptical of premature obituaries or dismissals. The New Deal wasn't just a single jobs bill and I doubt anything tackling an issue this big will be either.

Crooked Hillary!

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thanks for reminding me of all these terrible nicknames, except for "lyin' ted," i'll give him that one

He tried Crazy Bernie but it didn’t take.

lol there is an actual wikipedia page that lists all of them

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nicknames_used_by_Donald_Trump

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I miss the days of GWB, Fart Blossom, etc.

Turd Blossom!