one out all out: a brexit from the modern world and every one of its problems please (we're all gonna die lol)

i'm not sure if locking everybody together in the cockpit makes things safer or more fraught

so basically No Brexit has become the new No Deal. It is a pity Dacre went down in the fuhrerbunker, would have been nice to see his reaction.

at least if we stay in the eu dacre will still be able to claim those lucrative european farming subsidies he’s been enjoying for the last couple of decades

this is why he earns the big bucks

This is all the consequence of the same issue that arose after last year’s General Election- the PM does not have enough MPs...

— Faisal Islam (@faisalislam) December 4, 2018

Another couple of hundred should do her, Faisal

Farage resigns because extremists have taken over his party lol

You'd be forgiven for missing this amid all the fun but Farage just left UKIP.

Xpost argh.

Nu Brexit party? Taking the money and running? Felt left out by the media? Who knows?

Maybe he's joining the Tories.

That's brilliant

New party announcement coming up I reckon - obviously with a stupid phrase or one pithy word for a name.

He could always join the DUP, if it was good enough for Enoch...

Suggest Stormfront

Almost an anagram of Stormont too.

Fr. Stormont - unfortunately named priest of this parish.

sorry my bad he's leaving his anti-immigration party cos he's not racist, forgot

He's politically homeless:(

what does it mean to have been voted in contempt?

it means they're headed for the tower iirc

farage is gonna go work for trump isn’t he

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groom_of_the_Stool

Bannon not Trump I reckon.

so basically No Brexit has become the new No Deal. It is a pity Dacre went down in the fuhrerbunker, would have been nice to see his reaction.

― calzino, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 18:07

one would hope so, but this political analysis suggests otherwise:

brexit is happening
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― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 20:52

Bannon not Trump I reckon.

Bannon's an even bigger fan of Tommy Robinson than UKIP are.

FBPE ppl are loving the Grieve amendment, which immediately makes me think it isn't worth the paper its written on.

Under the terms of the EU Withdrawal Act, the government will have 21 days to come back to parliament with a motion, setting out what it plans to do.

Grieve’s amendment, which is backed by the shadow Brexit secretary, Sir Keir Starmer, is aimed at ensuring any such motion can be amended by MPs.

They hope this will allow parliament to express its support for alternative approaches – and prevent the government either hurtling towards a no-deal Brexit without the backing of MPs, or imposing a plan B of its own devising.

Expressing is one thing - coming up with a plan that can be passed by the house is another. No deal crash very much a possibility.

I think MPs will do everything they possibly can to avoid No Deal and if it looks likely there's a majority in the Commons for almost any alternative option. But you're right that they won't agree on what happens next.

Still, it's actually incredibly funny that after a year of Johnson and Rees-Mogg shooting their mouths off and May appearing to be terrified of them the defeats have come from the other side.

I'm guessing at this point we're heading towards the softest of all possible Brexits and I'm pretty sure the EU know that.

I'd like to think so too.

i doubt the EU would be prepared to go thru a second sustained period of negotiation to create a new deal, especially if there are big questions about the ability of whatever government they negotiate that deal with to get it thru Parliament

whether there's a parliamentary majority against no deal or not, the clock isn't only ticking on this side, and i don't think any amendment can guarantee that time and patience won't run out while this country is still deadlocked

How do you figure? The govt has no majority with which to ignore the expressed view of parliament. As today showed, three times.

To get a no deal out of that they’d have to somehow lose an amendment vote against it yet also survive the no-confidence consequences of ignoring it.

I mean, possibly if this is all going down on March 27th or something and we accidentally run out of time, but otherwise a crash out is quite hard to envisage. Xxxp

The EU say they are ready for No Deal but I doubt they know what the UK crashing out in a disordely manner could mean - idk, its a risk I am not sure they are willing to take. xxp to NV

If today's ECJ suggestion that the UK can unilaterally revoke Article 50 turns out to be true, and I doubt they'd have mentioned it if it wasn't, then as Calzino says it becomes the gun to the head of potential rebels. If its May's deal or no Brexit they'll vote for the deal.

Virtually all the other options are now more likely than No Brexit but there's nowhere near a Commons majority for No Deal. If it comes down to the two then MPs will bottle the cliff edge, regardless of the consequences.

The EU know full well May's deal won't pass. The idea that they haven't worked out a plan B is hugely implausible.

what is the view of parliament really? They don't like this deal for one and they are trying to avoid No deal - but what next? What is the form of Brexit that gets through?

i doubt the EU want it to happen either but i still don't (yet) see the process by which a Prime Minister can get a deal agreed by this parliament and the EU

This essentially comes down (I think) to the question of whether there are 7 or so MPs who would rather face a general election than No Deal.

The DUP have already said they are ready for an election. Even if they weren’t, there are enough Remain Tories to do the job.

Honestly I think it's now stalemate, we end up with May's deal, second referendum or an election. There's no Brexit that can get through Parliament but that doesn't mean they're going to opt for the apocalypse instead.

Has anyone looked at how safe the seats of the most likely rebels are, and how their constituencies voted in the election?

I don’t think that’s right Matt: I think the Brexiteers (or enough of them) hate this deal so much they don’t even see it as Brexit. It’s not even acceptable as a compromise. They’d rather vote it down and be the victims again regardless of what followed.

Xp yes I think those are the options too

i'm on record as severely doubting the moral conviction of Remain Tories. there's the very real prospect of a general election proving inconclusive too. and can Labour stand on a "no Brexit" or "people's vote" ticket without fighting itself into a state of electoral disadvantage?

I can see Brexiteers voting with May if they think this is the only Brexit they'll get, rather than face another referendum or no Brexit.

Cut the cord and keep working away to make Britain great again, or whatever the fuck they are looking for.

Yeah, fuck knows what the manifestos look like

They better be writing one.

wake me up when election

Honestly NV? I don't think it matters because I just don't believe that Brexit is the #1 electoral issue for enough people. There is no way that Corbyn and McDonnell will allow the campaign to be about Brexit and nothing else. If they can set the agenda, as they did last time, and the public like their policies on other issues enough then people will vote on that basis, as they should do.

John Rentoul isn't ready for that:

This is a strong speech; PM's arguments are far superior to those of her opponents to left and right, but will logic prevail?

— John Rentoul (@JohnRentoul) December 4, 2018

i don't believe Brexit is even the #3 electoral issue for most people but we are in crazy times here, if they force a general election they can stonewall as much as they want but they're going to have to commit themselves to something a little more solid than the smoke and mirrors they're using now

theresa may DESTROYS parliamentary opposition with FACTS and LOGIC

... Then I think they'll commit to a second referendum with enough respect for Brexiters laid on as a figleaf.

for one thing, whoever wins a putative election is going to have to come straight back and deal with this mess