abortion classic or dud?

RIP Tiller, sorry there are some really twisted fucks in this world.

Keith's show the day this happened was really good, albeit heartbreaking.

hero, that dude.

Yes, definitely.

This was passed on to me by one of my former professors and I think it's a pretty great concept:

I Am Dr. Tiller

More info about the site here.

That's wonderful and is going to make me cry. A lot.

wow, ditto and thanks, Erica!

a good roundup of some testimonials from dr. tiller's patients.

Sullivan's run a slew of heartbreaking posts in the last week.

Protesters bored, miss their reason for existing :-(

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/08/us/08wichita.html?_r=3&hp=&pagewanted=all

Tiller clinic closes:

http://www.ourbodiesourblog.org/blog/2009/06/dr-george-tillers-clinic-closes-for-good

And the assassin proclaims victory. I am not normally in favor of torture, but someone Abu Ghraib this fuck.

what for

fun

http://mobile.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/feature/2009/10/07/okla_abortion/index.html

read that. wtf are they thinking? ok i know what they're thinking but x-(

infuriating

I just posted a link about this on facebook. I AM SO ANGRY!

shit like this makes me want to secede and start my own country, whos with me?

Christ, what next? Forcing women who have had abortions to wear red armbands with foetus symbols on them?

Crazy. They can't do that, can they? It doesn't seem legally possible, and I am too lazy to comb through the whole issue. I want someone here to do it and then put it in a nutshell, please.

Let's not give them ideas because obviously there is no limit to the CRAZY.

what the fucking fuck how can this possibly be legal

the good guys are attacking on procedural merits, but I can't help but think that there might be legit privacy concerns (legally). I looked over the opening questions of the questionnaire and they really did seem like they'd be enough to ID someone from small town. doubt it'd get by a univ IRB for instance

tbh i'm not sure it is legal but they do this all the time--pass an abortion law they suspect is unconstitutional or violates privacy laws because they want to see it challenged in courts that are favorable to them. so even if it's struck down they come out with case law that supports them overall. i think that's why the challengers tried the "single-subject rule" method first, to avoid getting a ruling about health privacy or abortion. xp

^^^this seems savvy

I don't know if this is any crazier than the healthcare "argument" about not using any of the federal money/tax credits for ANY insurance packages that, as part of their standard coverage MIGHT include abortions IN THE EVENT that you are even a woman and therefore hypothetically eligible for one at some point in your life.

The result of which, of course, would be for insurance companies to drop abortion coverage from all their plans. Which HEY is a lot easier than taking the issue back to the Supreme Court, huh guys?

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/sfaa/oklahoma.html

So there are only 6 abortion providers in the entire state of OK, a parental cosent law and a 24 hour waiting period. This is yet another law that might discourage women who are afraid of their identities being discovered (which in small towns could easily be done from the questions like Ev said) from obtaining abortions. Great.

Ha when I got an abortion I was worried somehow people were able to magically scan my mind & see this happened – let's just make the paranoia a reality, eh?

*googles*

(j/k <3 u abbs)

hahahahahahaha

Are you fucking kidding me? Why on earth are you going to go & give a list of names & personal info to the same nutjobs who would murder doctors for the prestige of (legal) martyrdom? The very existence of such a list/database is essentially an open sanctioning of, at best, harassment & exclusion.

does not include the name, address or "any information specifically identifying the patient." - I guess I should actually read things before indulging kneejerk posting impulses. Still, tho, a dubious proposition, the fuckheads.

cervix-a-lot is concerned

wow, what the fuck

this is not OK, lahoma

a store i worked at a couple of years ago, we'd occasionally get these faxes from an abortion clinic in another city, containing patient's full info. i rang them twice to tell them what was going on, you'd think they'd be a little more fucking careful. what if i was some religious nutto? that kind of info is a loaded gun in the wrong hands.

You made the right call when you made the call jufteen.

Collecting the information that OK wants to publish is nothing new. AB clinics already do this and confidentially report to state agencies. It's the posting it online that probably won't pass muster under HIPAA. What is that HIPAA waiver even gonna look like?

"by signing this waiver you agree to be targeted by murderous psychopaths"

Yeah, something like that.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100112/ap_on_re_us/us_abortion_shooting_trial

^^ another day, another conservative activist judge

delete kansas

the important question in that article:

Does the Justice Department plan to file charges against Roeder under federal statutes guaranteeing access to clinics?

just wrote my congressman to ask that he do whatever is necessary to ensure federal charges under the access to clinics law & would urge pro-choice people who read this thread to do the same with their representatives. this is an outrage.

What will it take, someone walking into Phelps church and slaughtering them pre-emptively as potential abortionist killers, to make people realize this is a preposterously scandalous ruling?

the ruling is new; if the white house & congressmen made it known to the justice dept. that federal charges under the access to clinics law are called for now (not "after we see whether this ridiculously loaded deck pans out as both defense & the kansan judge clearly hope it will"), then there's opportunity for the whole anti-choice strategy here to backfire badly. I am holding off my usual cynicism about how committed the white house is to the right to choose and just urging people who give a shit about this to write their congressman NOW and say that you as a constituent believe that federal charges are called for.

any time a murderous psycho is flabbergasted in a good way is a good time to pick up the phone and call yr congressional representatives

max you know more about politics than I do, is emailing as good as calling or do I need to be getting on the horn about this kinda thing