yeah never reading that piece in a million years lol
― resident hack (Simon H.), Monday, 3 December 2018 16:27 (five years ago) link
i kind of admire eve for just being a character in a j.franzen novel come to life, even her name seems like the sort of thing hed come up with when wryly creating an oberlin grad with a degree in self-care that writes explainers about millennial culture for "new media"
― (° . ° )― (Lamp), Monday, 3 December 2018 16:27 (five years ago) link
i just read about two-thirds of it and now i'm going to get up from my desk and hurl myself down a lift shaft
― We're in 2009—it's time to take risks, (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 3 December 2018 16:31 (five years ago) link
You guys are who this piece is actually about maybe that explains the reaction like someone just doused you in holy water
― Mordy, Monday, 3 December 2018 16:37 (five years ago) link
fuck, owned
― We're in 2009—it's time to take risks, (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 3 December 2018 16:38 (five years ago) link
holy water????
― (° . ° )― (Lamp), Monday, 3 December 2018 16:39 (five years ago) link
Holy water has also been believed to ward off or act as a weapon against mythical evil creatures, such as vampires. In eastern Europe, one might sprinkle holy water onto the corpse of a suspected vampire in order to destroy it or render it inert.[38][39] Thereafter, the concept proliferated into fiction about such creatures.
― Mordy, Monday, 3 December 2018 16:43 (five years ago) link
The real class war was the friends we made along the way to the class war
― resident hack (Simon H.), Monday, 3 December 2018 16:51 (five years ago) link
to tie it all together
William Randolph Hearst wouldn’t have had the balls to commission an article about how he was a nice guy and people should be nice to him. #respect— matt christman (@cushbomb) December 3, 2018
― resident hack (Simon H.), Monday, 3 December 2018 17:03 (five years ago) link
i finally know how to pronounce jon bois.
― teen heartthrob Pacey Winger (Will M.), Monday, 3 December 2018 19:15 (five years ago) link
free tweet to anyone wanting to do their part in ratio'ing eve: Pee Visor
― flopson, Monday, 3 December 2018 19:46 (five years ago) link
i love when ppl turn heel
jon bwah
― Master Humphrey's Cock (Bananaman Begins), Monday, 3 December 2018 19:50 (five years ago) link
I searched for Eve Peyser to find out what this was about, and the first result was instructions on how to cancel a NYT subscription
― sans lep (sic), Monday, 3 December 2018 20:00 (five years ago) link
eve peyser already did the jogging with david frum piece https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/7xeg84/david-frum-is-a-political-party-of-one
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 3 December 2018 20:06 (five years ago) link
jon bwah― Master Humphrey's Cock (Bananaman Begins), Monday, December 3, 2018 2:50 PM (forty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Master Humphrey's Cock (Bananaman Begins), Monday, December 3, 2018 2:50 PM (forty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
see ive been saying this forever but also i live in quebec and only recently learned not to call the bubbly water "la-KWA"
― teen heartthrob Pacey Winger (Will M.), Monday, 3 December 2018 20:35 (five years ago) link
Anyone else have thoughts on the MMA project? I feel like I must be missing something (having watched one MMA event in my life I probably am) but the writing seems really repetitive - how often does he have to repeat some variation of “weird men with bad tattoos”? And I guess the conclusion works in a symbolic “fight the inevitable unbeatable descent into shit” sort of way but I can’t help think about the effects on that guy’s brain from going out and getting pummeled for another 5 minutes.
― JoeStork, Monday, 3 December 2018 20:42 (five years ago) link
We discussed it a little upthread. I think some of the details are interesting but I don't think it coheres.
― resident hack (Simon H.), Monday, 3 December 2018 20:46 (five years ago) link
Reminded that Peyser is friends with Olivia Nuzzi who’s kind of all about stuff like this.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Monday, 3 December 2018 21:35 (five years ago) link
olivia nazzi, call her by her name
― We're in 2009—it's time to take risks, (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 3 December 2018 21:43 (five years ago) link
yeah like as a history of MMA i was pretty fascinated by it but the shifts into doomy cultural commentary prognostication with some bad taste writing & low-rent visualizations made me feel like i was watching loose change 2 or something
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 3 December 2018 22:06 (five years ago) link
fam this peyser/weiss thing is patently inoffensive idg why anyone would waste a holler about it
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 3 December 2018 22:10 (five years ago) link
I think Natalie Shure does a good job in this short thread of getting at why it's so bad and annoying
For better or worse, a lot of people have friends whose ideologies diverge from theirs. But navel-gazing about it in the newspaper of record - without ever grappling with the impact your media pal’s writing may have on people’s actual lives - serves an insidious political purpose https://t.co/3W7xBWzMKq— Natalie Shure (@nataliesurely) December 3, 2018
― resident hack (Simon H.), Monday, 3 December 2018 22:13 (five years ago) link
also weiss concedes not an inch in her support for the right while peyser spends a bunch of time grumbling about her alleged ideological compatriots
― We're in 2009—it's time to take risks, (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 3 December 2018 22:18 (five years ago) link
who navel gazes about the navel gazers
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 3 December 2018 22:18 (five years ago) link
but yeah i see that latter point for sure
can't read "Bari Weiss" without hearing "Stav think he look slick in that wig" in my head
― louise ck (milo z), Monday, 3 December 2018 22:19 (five years ago) link
Xxxp yeah the historical stuff was often fascinating, I just didn’t see any criticism of it except commenters yelling about politics getting in their MMA.
I’ve only listened to a few CTH episodes but the one from a few months back with Felix going on an extended rant about the glory of the Krassenstein Bros was pretty amazing. Made it a little tougher to adjust to Serious Voice though.
― JoeStork, Monday, 3 December 2018 22:25 (five years ago) link
Does the MMA doc have much actual fight footage in it? Because it sounds like the perfect excuse for someone like me who enjoys watching good fight footage but doesn't actually follow the sport.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Monday, 3 December 2018 22:26 (five years ago) link
some.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 3 December 2018 22:33 (five years ago) link
highlights & lowlights like gracie's infamous shattered leg that makes me queasy every time
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 3 December 2018 22:34 (five years ago) link
For better or worse, a lot of people have friends whose ideologies diverge from theirs. But navel-gazing about it in the newspaper of record - without ever grappling with the impact your media pal’s writing may have on people’s actual lives - serves an insidious political purpose
it could be that there is value in having [and encouraging] friendly relationships w/ ppl you feel political hostility towards and it's not just navel-gazing.
― Mordy, Monday, 3 December 2018 23:20 (five years ago) link
nah
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 3 December 2018 23:22 (five years ago) link
i’d be excommunicated with extreme prejudice from my antifa supersoldier battalion if i so much as nodded in the direction of anyone to the right of mao
― We're in 2009—it's time to take risks, (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 3 December 2018 23:30 (five years ago) link
I just can’t take that kind of risk, mordy
― We're in 2009—it's time to take risks, (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 3 December 2018 23:31 (five years ago) link
i understand; when we pass each other in the halls i won't be offended when you ignore me social standing above all
― Mordy, Monday, 3 December 2018 23:36 (five years ago) link
This only makes sense if your "political hostility" is a show, hence the ease with which NY media people can bro down with "the enemy."
― louise ck (milo z), Monday, 3 December 2018 23:37 (five years ago) link
I am friends with fairly few people, why should I go out of my way to make friends with people with bad opinions
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 00:00 (five years ago) link
where would I even meet a right-wing newspaper columnist?
Seattle Times offices
― sans lep (sic), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 00:03 (five years ago) link
^ across the road from the SLU Whole Foods, your eyes meet while reaching for mochi ice cream
― sans lep (sic), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 00:04 (five years ago) link
I feel like Mordy's basic position is Obama's (rational discourse is critical and other side should be engaged with in good faith, etc.) and, well, we all know how that turned out
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 00:13 (five years ago) link
went on chapo— Jon Bois (@jon_bois) December 2, 2018
― Fetchboy, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 00:20 (five years ago) link
lol, of course it's already up.
― Fetchboy, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 00:21 (five years ago) link
Most socialists/leftists/whatever are friends with people who have different beliefs - liberals. You don’t have to move all the way to right-wing scum to be inclusive.
― louise ck (milo z), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 00:31 (five years ago) link
― louise ck (milo z), Monday, December 3, 2018 5:19 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yesssssss
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 21:30 (five years ago) link
the Weiss/Peyser piece is so rough. Some of it - if it were satire, it would be brilliant. Like this:
EVE: In these divisive times, the increasingly moralistic left has adopted this idea that those who don’t agree with you politically are the enemy. (And vice versa.) I think it’s a self-defeating way of looking at things. If we dismiss the almost 63 million people who voted for Trump as irredeemably evil, where does that leave us as a society? You voted for Clinton, and yet, when we became friends, I worried I’d get “canceled” if Twitter found out.
WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 21:32 (five years ago) link
Such stunning insight:
VE: We also connected over our Jewish upbringings, being women writers, and finding common ground over the absurd aspects of internet outrage culture. Social media has the tendency to flatten people. It gives us the ability to immediately post any passing thought, which doesn’t lend itself to thoughtfulness or nuance. Not only can someone become a caricature of her stupidest tweet, but it creates an environment in which the most bombastic, aggressive takes about the hot topic of the day get the most engagement. Feuds flourish; offering the benefit of the doubt to another person is a sign of cowardice, or of not being sufficiently moral.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 21:35 (five years ago) link
Seems like the most appropriate thread for this:
How is this real pic.twitter.com/yC6BggOcnE— Ken Klippenstein (@kenklippenstein) December 7, 2018
― JoeStork, Saturday, 8 December 2018 03:16 (five years ago) link
Princeton episode is so bad.
― louise ck (milo z), Saturday, 8 December 2018 03:43 (five years ago) link