Literary Clusterfucks 2013

again not that my ideas are special or meaningful in any way

career as a poet

lmbo

Hobby as a poet then, with chapbooks and readings and the whole deal. That is over for this individual.

"what an injustice, i've been DISINVITED from a PANEL for my horrible behavior"

i think social ostracism hurts. and she definitely deserves that. i just think that, personally, if i was in the scene, i wouldn't be shooting spitballs at someone as security was escorting them out the door.

yeah it's absolutely unnecessary piling on but how long have we been on the internet now?

Finding it weird that this is being discussed as much as it is tbh. Has anyone actually read these poets?

chapbooks and readings are privileges and she rightly lost them, i hope she never gets on twitter again, the end xp

lol i don't think i understand what treeship is getting at beyond "this is bad but also the overreaction to this is bad" which, yes, yes it is

takin a stand against pile on culture

wonder who the last poet was who could be said to have a "career as a poet"

it's prob been a while, even t.s. eliot had a day job

pile on culture is not the problem here, lol

I liked the one treesh quoted above who was like “my poems have had a minor impact on how people think and write, as a poet I find this unacceptable”

(Putting aside that this coopting of her style is 100% without question only in her head)

"I'll be ready to go in a few minutes, just sending out this month's poetry invoices."

Career as a poet = teaching job, right?

yeah

(also grants, residencies, etc)

I still can't get past the tattoo. The public shaming seems a bit superfluous when she's already tattooed herself with her own offense.

wonder who the last poet was who could be said to have a "career as a poet"

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there should be a little meter on twitter that says when someone has been piled on exactly enough so everyone knows when to stop

xp strafkolonie omg

not sure why j. made that suicide quip above

it wasn't a quip, i'm saying, people kill themselves over things like this, you think the same thing that i said

goddamn plagiarists everywhere

when I was taking literature classes there was a guy whose project was going to poetry readings with a notebook and free writing while the poet read. He'd mix in his own lines with stuff he was hearing the poet read. This got iffy when he attended student readings and presented his partially-lifted poems in the workshop. People were bugged by it, but he was up front about what he was doing. He got a Stegner fellowship.

'Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal; bad poets deface what they take, and good poets make it into something better, or at least something different. The good poet welds his theft into a whole of feeling which is unique, utterly different from that from which it was torn; the bad poet throws it into something which has no cohesion.'

I saw someone doing this at a reading the other night, or maybe writing down phrases they liked. Seemed a little odd but also a thing that poetry students might do.

Back in Homer's day…

i agree that people shouldn't lift lines from other poets...

― Trϵϵship, Sunday, December 2, 2018

how do you feel about allusion?
what if the lift is in a character's voice?
do we need to re-evaluate jean rhys?

obv the case in question is a whole other thing but man, i'd hate to imagine a world where every artifact has to be sui generis

my biggest takeaway from this is lol poetry

From the beef or this thread?

from poetry

Xp rogermexico, that’s kind of what I was saying in my flurry of commentary upthread—the tweets about this issue seemed to display a pretty naive understanding of authorship and originality. What would they think of an artist like Sturtevant?

This is a very clear-cut case of plagiarism, though. As someone said above, it reads exactly like an undergrad with a thesaurus trying to get out of being detected. There is no recontextualisation or conversation here, just thievery.

Yes but treesh found some twitter rando saying biting someone’s style is literally murder so now that is what this case is about

That was not a rando, i think that was this plagiarist’s publisher

No, the publisher was talking about actual plagiarism

Oh thats right. The style person was some kind ofnpoetry student. Be that as it may

how do you feel about allusion?
what if the lift is in a character's voice?
do we need to re-evaluate jean rhys?

i liked this but better if it rhymed

The publisher was out of line too.

Eh the publisher said a true thing (“this is unacceptable”) in kinda ott language (“evil”), I’m p whatever about the idea that @GhostCityPress might take poetry too seriously

evil is a stupid term at best of times, when tweeted in reference to something someone did in poetry then the tweeter should be taken out to a main square and kicked to death on a stage

Evil is a good and useful term it means very bad fyi

100% rise in Twitter hyperbole-related public kicking deaths this year. Be safe out there.

thats progress is that

If they’re poets they should be careful with their language!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! xp

well that really goes for all writers but: they aren't

how do you feel about allusion?
what if the lift is in a character's voice?
do we need to re-evaluate jean rhys?

i liked this but better if it rhymed

― puppy bash (darraghmac), 4. december 2018 21:43 (seventeen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It kinda does with my Danish accent

This is a very clear-cut case of plagiarism, though.

― emil.y, Tuesday, December 4, 2018

no question. it wouldn't be worth discussion except for the Too Extreme For America conversation going on around it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9BwWKXjVaI

The interesting thing about plagiarism in contemporary poetry is that there's loads of it (fella called If a Lightman writes about it a lot and does some detective work on it). Probably because so much poetry is published but so little read, plagiarism can easily hide.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/sep/09/poetry-plagiarism-copying-maya-angelou-ira-lightman-will-storr

“oh gosh I was practicing this extremely advanced thing called intertextuality and forgot the appropriate attributions...”

hanging’s too good for these charlatans