Yeah "he's dumb" seems to have been superceded by "he's... developing dementia and senility?"
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 15:12 (seven years ago)
I thought this was a really useful take on his syntax - it's not supposed to make sense, it's an open ended thing where the first part of the sentence lets his followers fill the rest in with their internal bias, so the rest of it doesn't need to mean anything:
Trump "says it like it is" by saying the first part of a thought and letting the listener fill in the rest. Exactly as it is in their mind.— Emily G (@EmilyGorcenski) February 19, 2017
― sleeve, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 15:13 (seven years ago)
And then...
"Number two, if you go back and if you look at articles, they talked about global freezing, they talked about at some point the planets could have freeze to death, then it’s going to die of heat exhaustion. There is movement in the atmosphere. There’s no question. As to whether or not it’s man-made and whether or not the effects that you’re talking about are there, I don’t see it — not nearly like it is."
You see, the planets could have freeze to death
― jmm, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 15:15 (seven years ago)
yes he's an idiot and almost certainly going senile but the overwhelming majority of his base thinks exactly the same way don't they? I encountered the "only the sun can determine how hot it is" argument last week
― frogbs, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 15:19 (seven years ago)
although, I guess there are dumber takes out there
The melting of the Polar Ice Cap will open up The Northern Sea route to shipping, greatly reducing the cost to ship goods from place to placeIndeed, Global Warming is something to be excited about! pic.twitter.com/R3Ck5SbhCI— Jacob Wohl (@JacobAWohl) November 25, 2018
― frogbs, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 16:17 (seven years ago)
I realize this has been said already, but how is he not in jail
― sleeve, Wednesday, 28 November 2018 16:18 (seven years ago)
jailing the greatest prodigy since mozart... smdh @ u and @ america
― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 28 November 2018 16:46 (seven years ago)
it flows
― j., Wednesday, 28 November 2018 16:49 (seven years ago)
Mr. Obama used the opportunity to defend his presidency, noting that energy production and stock markets increased on his watch.“That whole suddenly America’s the biggest oil producer — that was me, people,” he said. As for Wall Street tycoons who complain that he was anti-business, Mr. Obama said, “Have you checked where your stocks were when I came to office” and where they were when he left? “What are you complaining about? Just say thank you, please.”
“That whole suddenly America’s the biggest oil producer — that was me, people,” he said. As for Wall Street tycoons who complain that he was anti-business, Mr. Obama said, “Have you checked where your stocks were when I came to office” and where they were when he left? “What are you complaining about? Just say thank you, please.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/28/us/politics/obama-baker-consensus.html
not surprising that yet another president who advocated for All of the Above still doesn't get it
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 29 November 2018 06:21 (seven years ago)
wth he sounds like he got infected with orange brainworms.
― Newsted joins this band and quickly he’s subdued (Leee), Thursday, 29 November 2018 17:41 (seven years ago)
let's see if this matters
https://www.courthousenews.com/majority-of-all-americans-now-believe-in-climate-change/
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 30 November 2018 15:53 (seven years ago)
don't make me do the 'narrator voice' thing
― mookieproof, Friday, 30 November 2018 16:43 (seven years ago)
When asked to imagine what would happen if insects were to disappear completely, scientists find words like chaos, collapse, Armageddon. Wagner, the University of Connecticut entomologist, describes a flowerless world with silent forests, a world of dung and old leaves and rotting carcasses accumulating in cities and roadsides, a world of “collapse or decay and erosion and loss that would spread through ecosystems” — spiraling from predators to plants
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/27/magazine/insect-apocalypse.html#commentsContainer
― global tetrahedron, Friday, 30 November 2018 18:05 (seven years ago)
the most interesting parts of the new climate assessment are the emphases on the value of preserving, reviving, and using indigenous knowledge to create the future:
Indigenous knowledge systems can play a role in advancing understanding of climate change and in developing more comprehensive climate adaptation strategies,6 ,7 ,118 in part because they focus on understanding relationships of interdependency and involve multigenerational knowledge of ecosystem phenology (the study of cyclic and seasonal natural phenomena)6 ,119 ,120 and ecological shifts.25 ,121 For example, Inupiat residents in Alaska have identified cyclical patterns of coastal erosion, and their understanding of how quickly and in which direction wind and wave energy reaches the coast can help communities prone to flooding.122 Indigenous adaptation planning, including considerations of issues such as flooding and water rights, benefits from a greater focus on participatory planning in natural resource management.19 ,22 ,123 ,124 ,125 ,126 This planning incorporates local knowledge and values from conception through implementation127 ,128 ,129 in ways that ensure the protection of Indigenous knowledges and Indigenous peoples’ rights not to share sensitive information.22 In this way, traditional ways of knowing are contributing to sustainable land management practices under changing environmental conditions.130 ,131 ,132 ,133 For example, the Wabanaki Nations of Maine work closely with local researchers, foresters, and landowners as part of the Cooperative Emerald Ash Borer Project to precisely catalogue and map the decline of the native black ash deciduous trees on which these communities rely for economic, cultural, and spiritual practices. The cooperative leverages Indigenous knowledge of environmental history as it relates to the invasive emerald ash borer beetle.131 Additionally, the Nez Perce Tribe employs Indigenous knowledges as part of an initiative to enhance local salmon populations that have been in decline (Ch. 24: Northwest, KM 2). For more on Indigenous knowledges, see the regional chapters in this assessment.
they zoom in on this some in the hawaii section here: https://nca2018.globalchange.gov/chapter/27/?fbclid=IwAR2Sd6vFQBbSaDKsEyklmfH5-HOdrwnH2TTNlFRys28-GHp7WjLEmyFxnRc
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 30 November 2018 18:33 (seven years ago)
xp: The pollinator dieoff is [a huge problem](https://drive.google.com/open?id=1vUTJrMht7U1JdWaFTz_xJZ8fJswKtCug), up there with soil and groundwater depletion.
Kinda orthogonal to climate change, though. There are specific crop protection chemicals largely responsible for say the bee dieoff, and as the croplands heat up (and don't face hard-freezes in winter), insect pests will become if anything worse.
― Sanpaku, Sunday, 2 December 2018 00:14 (seven years ago)
Go USA! Promoting coal at a climate conference:
The moment that an idiotic trump official promoted fossil fuels at the UN climate talks in Poland and was met with laughter and chants. This regime is embarrassing.pic.twitter.com/oznCaEYLp6— Ricky Davila (@TheRickyDavila) December 11, 2018
― StanM, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 18:51 (seven years ago)
IEA's annual coal report is out.
In the US, coal is decidedly on the decline despite the current administration's attempts to save it. US coal plant retirements doubled in 2018, and demand for coal dropped to the lowest level in more than three decades. But the International Energy Agency's (IEA) annual coal report (called Coal 2018) reminds us that the forces that have sent coal into a free fall in the US don't exist elsewhere in the world. In fact, demand for coal is growing globally for the second year in a row after a few years of decline, driven by high demand in India and Southeast Asia.In the US, cheap natural gas has been a primary driver in coal's fall from grace. (This was the conclusion of the Department of Energy's 2017 "baseload study.") But in other parts of the world, coal remains the cheapest and most available energy source. Declines in the US, Canada, and Europe have been counter-balanced by coal growth in India, Indonesia, Vietnam, Philippines, Malaysia, and Pakistan, the IEA wrote.China, too, "accounts for nearly half of the world's coal consumption," although the Chinese government has taken steps to control the growth of coal in recent years.Despite the most recent two years reflecting growth in the coal market, the IEA says this growth is slowing and will become an aggregate decline by 2023. "Coal’s contribution to the global energy mix is forecast to decline slightly from 27 percent in 2017 to 25 percent by 2023," the IEA wrote. Chinese coal demand specifically is forecast to decline by three percent over the same period.
In the US, cheap natural gas has been a primary driver in coal's fall from grace. (This was the conclusion of the Department of Energy's 2017 "baseload study.") But in other parts of the world, coal remains the cheapest and most available energy source. Declines in the US, Canada, and Europe have been counter-balanced by coal growth in India, Indonesia, Vietnam, Philippines, Malaysia, and Pakistan, the IEA wrote.
China, too, "accounts for nearly half of the world's coal consumption," although the Chinese government has taken steps to control the growth of coal in recent years.
Despite the most recent two years reflecting growth in the coal market, the IEA says this growth is slowing and will become an aggregate decline by 2023. "Coal’s contribution to the global energy mix is forecast to decline slightly from 27 percent in 2017 to 25 percent by 2023," the IEA wrote. Chinese coal demand specifically is forecast to decline by three percent over the same period.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/12/coal-may-be-dying-in-the-us-but-coal-demand-is-on-the-rise-globally/
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 22 December 2018 21:28 (seven years ago)
I'm reading some hard sci fi and was wondering if there were any books in the genre that could be described as conservative in the American sense. Almost assuredly not, is my assumption.
― Siouxie Sioux Vide (Leee), Sunday, 13 January 2019 19:02 (seven years ago)
No shortage of libertarian sci-fi, most notably the strain following from Heinlein. There's a whole subgenre of dismal "prepper fiction", about how some guy with a basement full of guns and canned goods protects his family from social collapse. Sci-fi that endorses biblical literalism I've encountered takes the view that gods are malevolent/indifferent/inscrutable aliens, which undercuts any value to US conservatives.
However, I'm just not familiar with climate denier fiction, with the notable exception of Michael Crichton's State of Fear. We all have full dispensation to steal from Crighton's estate and shit on his grave for that one.
― Sanpaku, Sunday, 13 January 2019 19:37 (seven years ago)
Politically conservative sci-fi tends to line up with the sentiment that it's a harsh and dangerous universe full of enemies whom you must fight to the death using advanced, science-based weaponry. Pretty much a projection of the Cold War into sci-fi.
― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 13 January 2019 19:40 (seven years ago)
it's astonishing to me at times the extent to which the story arc of such sci-fi is like, the exact opposite of my understanding actual history.
― Hunt3r, Sunday, 13 January 2019 23:04 (seven years ago)
I can understand the libertarian sci fi, but my feeling of hard SF is that the required scientific literacy preselects e.g. climate deniers. Like, it should be accurate to say that there's a reason that you don't see conservative hard SF?
― Oleeever St. John Yogurty (Leee), Monday, 14 January 2019 06:04 (seven years ago)
Dystopian fiction makes people more willing to justify political violence. Should you worry?
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 01:39 (seven years ago)
I'm just not familiar with climate denier fiction, with the notable exception of Michael Crichton's State of Fear.
I've never read it, but Fallen Angels by Pournelle, Niven, & Flynn fits in here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallen_Angels_(science_fiction_novel)
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 01:47 (seven years ago)
Niven is a sore spot, as Known Space (1965-80) was my favorite sci-fi world during my impressionable teens. I haven't bothered with much of his later work, and none of his collaborations with Pournelle, who I blame for his current politics.
― Sanpaku, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 23:31 (seven years ago)
i don't know much about desalinization, but this seems troublesome
As countries in the Middle East, Africa, and elsewhere struggle to find enough freshwater to meet demand, they’re increasingly turned to the ocean. Desalination plants, located in 177 countries, can help turn seawater into freshwater. Unfortunately, these plants also produce a lot of waste—more waste, in fact, than water for people to drink.A paper published Monday by United Nations University’s Institute for Water, Environment, and Health in the journal Science of the Total Environment found that desalination plants globally produce enough brine—a salty, chemical-laden byproduct—in a year to cover all of Florida in nearly a foot of it. That’s a lot of brine.In fact, the study concluded that for every liter of freshwater a plant produces, 0.4 gallons (1.5 liters) of brine are produced on average. For all the 15,906 plants around the world, that means 37.5 billion gallons (142 billion liters) of this salty-ass junk every day. Brine production in just four Middle Eastern countries—Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, and the United Arab Emirates—accounts for more than half of this.
A paper published Monday by United Nations University’s Institute for Water, Environment, and Health in the journal Science of the Total Environment found that desalination plants globally produce enough brine—a salty, chemical-laden byproduct—in a year to cover all of Florida in nearly a foot of it. That’s a lot of brine.
In fact, the study concluded that for every liter of freshwater a plant produces, 0.4 gallons (1.5 liters) of brine are produced on average. For all the 15,906 plants around the world, that means 37.5 billion gallons (142 billion liters) of this salty-ass junk every day. Brine production in just four Middle Eastern countries—Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, and the United Arab Emirates—accounts for more than half of this.
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 16 January 2019 02:43 (seven years ago)
Just put it in the ground with the nuclear waste nbd
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Wednesday, 16 January 2019 03:27 (seven years ago)
wait..shouldn't we also be trying to inject it into oil deposits to improve recovery rates?
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 16 January 2019 03:34 (seven years ago)
So we can retrieve and burn more oil? Splendid idea!
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 16 January 2019 03:52 (seven years ago)
Seawater desalination is generally done at the shore. The brine is just returned whence it came from.
Saudi Arabia used to have substantial groundwater deposits, that were used for a few decades to turn the country into a wheat exporter. By the late-90s they finally figured out that its far wiser to import "embedded water" as wheat than to waste their last groundwater irrigating the desert.
― Sanpaku, Wednesday, 16 January 2019 04:28 (seven years ago)
But the brine is heavy/sodium-overloaded seawater no? It's got to be harmful for producers and consumers in an area that already has the largest dead zone on earth
― form that slug-like grex (outdoor_miner), Wednesday, 16 January 2019 14:47 (seven years ago)
There's diminishing returns with reverse-osmosis desalinisation, so the waste water usually isn't supersaturated Dead Sea brine, its just a couple fold saltier than seawater. If anything, it probably helps dead zones by sinking to the bottom with oxygen.
― Sanpaku, Wednesday, 16 January 2019 15:22 (seven years ago)
Atlantic: Are We Living Through Climate Change’s Worst-Case Scenario?
Personally, I've thought we'll run between RCP 4.5 and RCP 8.5, but the outcomes will be similar to 8.5 (and of course, worse in future centuries), due to "global brightening" (as fewer aerosols are exhausted into the troposphere) and poorly modeled positive feedbacks.
― Sanpaku, Wednesday, 16 January 2019 16:06 (seven years ago)
xps my brine oil exploitation fan-fic was supposed to be a joke
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 16 January 2019 16:14 (seven years ago)
went to a good book talk last night by the author of this book Planetary Improvement: Cleantech Entrepreneurship and the Contradictions of Green Capitalism that featured a couple of my colleagues
notes in the form of a livetweet thread here for the interested:
At @Pottershousedc for @commonwaste's talk on his new book."One thing I found consistently in the literature is a clear admission that capitalism is the problem, followed quickly by a 'solution' that's just a variation of capitalism. Disruptive tech, hippie capitalism, so on." pic.twitter.com/EiT9z6oywa— justin jacoby smith (@hoosteen) January 15, 2019
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 16 January 2019 16:23 (seven years ago)
a relatively lighthearted look at some exxon geoengineering ideas from the 90s
https://www.topic.com/giant-mirrors-ocean-whitening-here-s-how-exxon-wanted-to-save-the-planet
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 20 January 2019 17:36 (seven years ago)
Kretschmer has found that over the last decades, the stratospheric polar vortex has become weaker and less stable, so Arctic air masses can escape more easily towards the North American and Eurasian continents. Here a schematic from UCAR. pic.twitter.com/Ss9LGN7KGe— Stefan Rahmstorf (@rahmstorf) January 21, 2019
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 12:26 (seven years ago)
Apple predicts climate change will increase demand for iPhones, noting that they double as flashlights and sirens and can be charged by hand crank. https://t.co/eR3yhtiGRQ pic.twitter.com/RUTjTfN20j— Christopher Flavelle (@cflav) January 22, 2019
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 18:07 (seven years ago)
massive eyeroll
god, if i somehow worked at apple and had to be involved in the preparation of whatever dumbass presentation/report they're referring to, i think i'd just quit that day and walk into the ocean
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 18:10 (seven years ago)
the pentagon issued a report this week with the 'force multiplier' idea, 'climate change is gonna make everything that's bad worse'
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 18:12 (seven years ago)
we're going to need to decide how we feel about migration. and by that i mean we going to need to change our fucking views on what acceptable "levels" of border-crossing are and start acting like one human race for once.
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 18:16 (seven years ago)
xp doesn't surprise me, DOD has been putting out reports along similar lines for the past 15 years or so (at least) that seem to be completely ignored by people who typically worship at their feet
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 18:16 (seven years ago)
otm, and i have a very bad feeling about how this national conversation is going to unfold
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 18:17 (seven years ago)
The situation is a lot worse for Europe than in the Western Hemisphere, given how large tropical/subtropical populations already dependent on food charity, but I fully expect lifeboat ethics to be publically discussed by mainstream politicians in a couple decades. From a systems perspective, only systems with "circuit breakers" like impermeable borders are resilient to the kind of stresses losing half of global agriculture will bring.
Europeans are already funding nationalists in Libya to deter migrants. It's such a cheap and easy solution to encourage brown people to abuse brown people, that it will be adopted everywhere. In fact, I think Trump could have gotten his wall, if it was for subsidizing a wall between Mexico and Guatemala/El Salvador.
If there's hope for those in the developing tropics, its for initiatives in girl's education and family planning to make the turn in demographic trends, and charitable funding of self-sufficiency in energy and agriculture.
― dancing the Radioactive Flesh (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 18:30 (seven years ago)
or, you know, we could just grow the fuck up?
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 18:52 (seven years ago)
can you say more about this option
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 19:11 (seven years ago)
Australia has just seen the world's hottest temperature recorded next to open ocean: 120.4°F (49.1°C), less than a block from the sea. https://t.co/fuEUt3Yqju— Bob Henson (@bhensonweather) January 25, 2019
― Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Friday, 25 January 2019 20:42 (seven years ago)
yes but it's far more important that we continue driving oil-machines and keeping certain human beings on the other side of an imaginary line BE REALISTIC
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 25 January 2019 20:59 (seven years ago)
We’re really fucked if people treats statements like this seriously and not as ..you know...denial.
Neoliberalism rots people's brains into thinking climate policy means sacrificing something. If we do it right climate policy will mean most everyone gets luxurious public goods & a better quality of life as billionaires become millionaires and we shutter the fossil fuel industry— Kate Aronoff (@KateAronoff) January 27, 2019
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Sunday, 27 January 2019 21:49 (seven years ago)
yeah thats some wishful thinking
― 21st savagery fox (m bison), Sunday, 27 January 2019 21:57 (seven years ago)