Hillary Clinton: Classic or Dud?

There is a case that this bottleneck century (overpopulation + climate change + global poor outbid for calories + refugee flows that dwarf current ones) will offer a fertile ground for nationalist demagoguery and outright fascism throughout the developed world. It's a huge risk for liberal freedoms and social welfare systems. The demographic and food security projections are really dire. Military scenario planners have been using phrases like "lifeboat Britain" since the early aughts, and from public comments I'm certain that leaders like Macron have gotten their lifeboat ethics briefing.

So, I won't fault HRC for this tweet. At some point, one does the math on UN population projections and FAO food security indicators and climate change effects on crop yields and one hopes to not live to see the other side of the historical equation.

please hillary just go away

Can we be shitty to the Bush daughters now? Or Ivanka? Because that fruit is so low I think I grew balls.

the only thing worse than hillary clinton is people talking about hillary clinton

you don't have to ask

Clinton made the "We came, we saw, he died" comment on Gaddafi, and now some leftists think she started and was involved in every aspect of the Libyan uprising
— jonny sunn o))) 🍩🤝🌹 (@DSA_Boletaria) November 22, 2018
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, November 22, 2018 7:28 PM (three hours ago)

what in the shit is your deal exactly

is he gabbn3b?

You people are dumb

You thought people who issued passports were “imperialists”

― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, November 22, 2018 5:12 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

What're you even talking about, you massive weapon

Not to be all 'no you're the know-it-alls' but Hillary is talking about Europe, and as a European I'd just like to point out that the refugee crisis was about Syrian refugees, and I don't think anyone really cares about Libya. Except Italy, but nobody really cares about Italy either. This whole discussion is kinda besides the point.

nobody really cares about Italy either

ok then

The refugee "crisis" has never been about one incident or one group of people as far as I can tell but hey maybe if the US and its client states had bombed Syria a bit more we wouldn't be having this problem

ah yes the 20th century when poor ppl finally knew hunger

The big crisis that has kinda brought Merkel down was a specific group in summer 2015, sorta like a 'refugee caravan' in US terms. They were from Syria, and they play the biggest role in the European imagination. That's when a Hungarian journalist kicked a refugee, when Sweden closed it's borders, when people were walking on Danish highways, etc.

yeah even viggo got involved iirc

as a European I'd just like to point out that the refugee crisis was about Syrian refugees, and I don't think anyone really cares about Libya.

Often imitated, never duplicated.

It's hard out their for the progeny of America's power elite families, amazed she got past 20 tbh.

― calzino

i still sometimes think about what the butthole surfers did to amy carter

As a sock placed over someone's hand with buttons for eyes, I think Freddie B speaks eloquently for all of Europe.

there is no way fred b is a sockpuppet come on

no way, it's tuomas creating an insufferable danish sockpuppet to forward his fervent finnish nationalism

this is the first explanation that really makes sense when you think about it

i mean, danish highways, come on

i am on some good cough syrup and i am LUCID

now that i see the motive it's beginning to make sense.

but how high does it go?

well finland is super egalitarian so probably not very high

how wide does it go?

https://i.etsystatic.com/18449807/r/il/5e6aba/1674031186/il_570xN.1674031186_ho5f.jpg

think about it

as a European I'd just like to point out that the refugee crisis was about Syrian refugees, and I don't think anyone really cares about Libya.

this appeared in the best-selling newspaper in britain

https://s-i.huffpost.com/gen/2851536/thumbs/o-AXELROD-570.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIy3n2b7V9k

xp. also Spain is the largest recipient of African refugees in Europe. I suppose no one cares about them either, same as Italy. I mean neither of them are Denmark

in fairness it is true that the US doesn't really care about the welfare of the ppl in the countries it bombs

in fairness, the greatest eagerness to bomb Libya was among European leaders and the campaign was carried out by several NATO members, not just the US.

Yeah, nobody cares about Spain either. Nor Greece, btw.

there was plenty of enthusiasm for bombing libya coming from the subject of this thread

Fred Ving

https://youtu.be/PyM4uAJBujA

xp

I was addressing the implication that the US was the sole participant in the bombing of Libya. I already acknowledged that within the Obama administration, HRC was the most enthusiastic proponent of that bombing. She certainly has a share of the responsibility, but she was by no means alone and was incapable of dropping a single bomb on Libya through her own orders. Those orders came from more than one head of state, who, by rights also share the greatest responsibility.

There’s no implication there besides the argument only you’re seeing. Nobody said she was solely responsible. Maybe you could address the actual points made now?

When one goes through the Sydney Blumenthal emails and Seymour Hersh's reportage, the impression one gets is that the Benghazi insurgency was 100% Sarkozy's doing in Fall 2010, Cameron joined in March 2011 out of European unity, and the main push for US involvement was Samantha Powers ("Rwanda, never again"), with much of State dubious. There wasn't a US military involvement until the Benghazi militia displayed their incompetence, retreated, and French and British bombers were already enroute. I can only infer that the main reason for any US participation is the long held consensus that the US should discourage any independent European foreign policy.

Even then, the US never bothered sending a carrier group, just a small amphibious group that could do traffic control, pilot search-and-rescue, and deliver a handful of SpecOps types. France/UK outweighed the US in sorties and tonnage, but the US sent a couple hundred cruise missiles from the naval group.

I see this point I have not specifically addressed:

the US doesn't really care about the welfare of the ppl in the countries it bombs

All I can say is that this is such a gross oversimplification that it is not worth addressing in any detail.

did you wear a MAGA hat while you typed that?

gee, do you complain about how conservatives oversimplify complex issues and progressives are so much smarter because they analyze problems in greater depth and include more factors? And do you complain about how conservatives carry on political conversations by quickly reducing them to name calling and taunts as an illegitimate way to assert a non-existent superiority?

oh fuck off, aimless

you can quit being ilx's own version of william f buckley any time now

Aimless has never molested anyone on a yacht, I'm sure.

ppl who get mad at aimless, eesh

I said one of his posts was nearly content free, so of course he's mad at me.

I was posting about Chelsea's teeth and it isn't sexist because for starters the Clintons aren't even human beings.

― calzino, Thursday, November 22, 2018 11:15 PM (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

clean hit

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/state-dept-intensifies-email-probe-of-hillary-clintons-former-aides/2019/09/28/9f15497e-e1f2-11e9-8dc8-498eabc129a0_story.html

“This has nothing to do with who is in the White House,” said a senior State Department official

Yes I’m
Sure it doesn’t

MEA CULPA

I regret any time I spent enabling the establishment's incrementalism rather than pushing for systemic progressive change.

— Peter Daou (@peterdaou) September 29, 2019

lol

im gonna say dud

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