Hillary Clinton: Classic or Dud?

tony blair jumping in there with the legitimate grievances too

Tony’s been beating that drum for a while now tbfttc.

For all the left wing people getting mad at this, I have some bad news about the Absolute Boy https://t.co/9Ma4oX4tLb

— John🖕Galvano 🇲🇳 (@JohnGalvano) November 22, 2018

^whataboutery

curious if there's any criticism of HRC that Nerdstrom would agree with

Yes, there is basically no difference between a politician who has campaigned for decades on refugee rights, who continues to speak at pro-refugee rallies, who has consistently pushed the U.K. government to do more to address refugee needs, etc, and one telling Merkel to shut the door lest the fash get restless, thank you.

Labour is far from perfect on immigration and the recent criticism of cuts to border police, etc, has been poor but this is moronic.

I agree with the criticism of her here and many other times.

“No difference”

I don't really follow UK politics so maybe you can explain the relevance of Corbyn to this callous speech advocating that the "center left" adopt the extreme right's position on refugees to hold on to power, not that that ploy is particularly surprising coming from Clinton

When in doubt, punch left. Fishhook theory is real.

Given that a lot of the vitriol aimed at Corbyn is based on his closeness to Muslim and Irish communities and a lot of opposition to him dogwhistles about his support for them near constantly - I mean a guy tried to kill him because he thought Corbyn was a “terrorist” and that is 100% based on vile coverage about how he cares more about foreigners than the British in the media - the neck of that guy is unreal but not surprising.

Contribute to the Guardian? Not even fucking once.

On #WorldRefugeeDay we express solidarity with people who have been forced to flee war, natural disaster, or persecution.

We have a duty to act humanely and protect the rights of refugees, rather than forcing them into overcrowded camps, detention centres and abject poverty.

— Jeremy Corbyn (@jeremycorbyn) June 20, 2018

“Fishhook theory” is kind of a convoluted meme

Are you going to address the points raised or answer why you brought up Corbyn in the first place?

seems pretty simple to me tbh, maybe you were reaching for "obscure"

https://i.redd.it/ipw1tkw2v06z.png

xp

xp no I don’t have time for that.

Yeah obscure is probably a better descriptive

that's some zen master shit right there

turning a big dial taht says "Racism" on it and constantly looking back at the audience for approval like a contestant on the price is right

— wint (@dril) March 15, 2017

god hilary is the worst

In a strong field

inconvenient people fleeing your bombing campaigns

fwiw, a high percentage of refugees into Europe in the past several years were fleeing Assad's bombing campaign, which I don't think you can pin on HRC. otoh, the outcome of the NATO campaign to oust Gadhafi has generated plenty of refugees and HRC was a big driver behind that one, along with the French president. Also, plenty of refugees are just fleeing wretched poverty and social violence, not bombs.

Yeah I was thinking of Libya when I said that.

Also, plenty of refugees are just fleeing wretched poverty and social violence, not bombs.

This is an argument used to deny entry to any refugees into Europe though - “they’re all economic migrants!!!1”.

fleeing Assad's bombing campaign, which I don't think you can pin on HRC

libya otoh...

did you read my post?

otoh, the outcome of the NATO campaign to oust Gadhafi has generated plenty of refugees and HRC was a big driver behind that one, along with the French president.

lots of obvious dunks here but I do enjoy (and am hardly alone in noticing) how this nicely parrots the trash Angela Nagle published yesterday

― wayne trotsky (Simon H.)

couldn't help but read this but "obvious drunks" and as always, this is a great idea

"fish hook theory" was endorsed by a cartoon in "the book of the subgenius" back in the 1980s, i'm not sold on it as a political philosophy

whats it mean, that there's only 'us' and the far-right?

why give that a name, "with us or against us" is old as the hills

That the centre will always gravitate towards the right rather than give anything to the left - or that centrist opinions are very close to far right ones.

The name is mostly turning the idea of ‘horseshoe theory’ back on the people promoting it. Liberalism = fascism is not necessarily useful analysis.

The idea that, given a choice between accommodating left-wing ideas and appeasing the far-right when forced to pick between the two, a lot of people who think of themselves as the sensible centre are more comfortable with the latter seems pretty undeniable though. Understanding how they can be stopped is hugely important.

i'm glad to see the concept of "social fascism" is back in vogue, it doesn't make one sound at all like a tankie

Probably not a great look to refer to someone who would feel the sharp end of mainstreaming fascist ideas as a tankie ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Ahem

none of this would've happened if Trump kept his promise and locked her up. ugh.

Trump's campaign was also based on blatant misogyny but Hilary seems oddly circumspect on whether the 2020 Democrat nominee should talk about hating women a bit more.

IS IT possible to think Hillary's article is awful and pandering and dangerous, but also Calzino's post about her teeth was a bit gross and also sexist?

anythings possible but sexist is a bit of a stretch

no I’m afraid you need to choose xp

I was posting about Chelsea's teeth and it isn't sexist because for starters the Clintons aren't even human beings.

Poor chelsea. If I was subject to the kind of harsh media spotlight she was as a teen I’d be a mess.

Nobody doubts that

It's hard out their for the progeny of America's power elite families, amazed she got past 20 tbh.

Idk I feel like it would suck to be her

money doesn't buy happiness

Also her parents do stuff like advise the “center left” to adopt the bannon line on migrants 4 the votes

having racist arseholes for parents is nothing new! Sorry if I've offended anyone, but these sociopaths make my blood boil. I feel they are fair game and don't deserve any protection after all the shitty domestic and foreign policies they've wrought onto the world over decades, whilst lining their pockets. They literally make me want to vomit. But this is US matters, so I'll stfu.

she's running

hopefully into the mouth of an active volcano

Clinton made the "We came, we saw, he died" comment on Gaddafi, and now some leftists think she started and was involved in every aspect of the Libyan uprising

— jonny sunn o))) 🍩🤝🌹 (@DSA_Boletaria) November 22, 2018

centrists are as bad at posting

are we pretending that Secretary of State isn't an important foreign policy role in the US and that the intervention didn't help oust Gaddafi?

for the purposes of bad centrist posting?

You thought people who issued passports were “imperialists”