Is the West Experiencing a Left-Wing Drift? (the international left politics activism, news, and strategy thread)

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in the present globalized economy the structural soundness of solidarity of working people is more of a theoretical construct than a reality.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 21 November 2018 19:05 (five years ago) link

dude i'm talking about a fuckin union, not collective unicorn farms

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 21 November 2018 19:07 (five years ago) link

If increasing the size of the labor pool per se depresses wages then we should be seeking zero population growth. Obviously that's not necessarily the case because more workers = more people with money to buy goods and services.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 21 November 2018 19:10 (five years ago) link

It's a consistent problem on the left that people can't work out that there might be an order of operations to achieving its goals. If you do certain things out of order, like open borders before addressing imperialism or organizing labor, the whole process falls apart.

— matthew the raven (@matthewaraven) November 21, 2018

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 21 November 2018 20:28 (five years ago) link

always remember PEMDAS

Patriarchy dismantling
Establish socialism
Make green economy
Destroy borders
Abolish gender
Space communism

21st savagery fox (m bison), Wednesday, 21 November 2018 20:35 (five years ago) link

It's a consistent problem on the left that people can't work out that there might be an order of operations to achieving its goals. If you do certain things out of order, like open borders before addressing imperialism or organizing labor, the whole process falls apart.
— matthew the raven (@matthewaraven) November 21, 2018
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 21 November 2018 20:28 (thirty-five minutes ago) Permalink

Yes, this is what I'm getting at, and well put.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 21 November 2018 21:05 (five years ago) link

also lol bison

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 21 November 2018 21:05 (five years ago) link

Come to the UK and we can explain the history of the Liberal Party and Labour Party to you.

the tory party in Australia is still called the Liberal Party

(currently holding a minority government, with an unelected Prime Minister, and 59 out of 150 members of parliament. it's great fun how the wheels are coming off the "moderate conservative" carriages in UK, US and .au at the same time but hapless cunts whom nobody wants are in charge in all of them, with no viable left leadership in any.)

Bing The Mighty Seat (sic), Wednesday, 21 November 2018 21:31 (five years ago) link

My AgitProp creation and dissemination video about #FightFor15 #McDonalds #FastFood and #Thanksgiving /... https://t.co/3SHORO5O83

— ☭ FMS ☭ (@FleaSocialist) November 24, 2018

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9rSIT_3_JM

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Saturday, 24 November 2018 07:08 (five years ago) link

watched the whole thing. fantastic!

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 24 November 2018 09:46 (five years ago) link

Yeah it’s fun, isn’t it?

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Saturday, 24 November 2018 18:53 (five years ago) link

Always wanted to see Tim Faust do his thing in the flesh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeLxQ8vpIlg

resident hack (Simon H.), Monday, 26 November 2018 21:12 (five years ago) link

He's good.

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Monday, 26 November 2018 22:25 (five years ago) link

Likewise, here’s the audio from his Portland talk and Q&A:

https://soundcloud.com/givingthemic/tim-fausts-health-justice

We shot video of this but no one has appended audio to video yet

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Monday, 26 November 2018 23:26 (five years ago) link

great piece at verso (that i made sure got seen at sunrise!) about building a Green New Deal that avoids the mistakes of the original new deal

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 29 November 2018 21:39 (five years ago) link

TIL director Adam McKay is a member of DSA-LA, which I guess isn't all that surprising really

resident hack (Simon H.), Thursday, 29 November 2018 22:00 (five years ago) link

marx otm but dont tell the americans on the witeppl thread

puppy bash (darraghmac), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 11:22 (five years ago) link

Not sure if this might be better suited to the climate thread, but I'm very interested in doing a compare/contrast on Sunrise Movement (a year old US youth-led climate direct action movement, smart electoral work rapidly transitioned directly to civil disobedience & advocacy for a Green New Deal that got the Ocasio bump) and Extinction Rebellion (a weeks-to-months-old British youth-led climate direct action movement, who entered the public stage at a higher place in the escalation graph--mass bridge blockades in one of the biggest cities in the world aint nothing to sneeze at)

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 17:14 (five years ago) link

saw Sunrise getting outflanked from the left for the first time ever this week, with an American hollering that a Green New Deal isn't enough and that people should be paying attention to Extinction Rebellion's work, so i wanna game it out

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 17:15 (five years ago) link

(currently holding a minority government, with an unelected Prime Minister, and 59 out of 150 members of parliament

(update: 58)

sans lep (sic), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 19:15 (five years ago) link

Hoos, here's a piece on trendy-leftist Novara Media making the case against Extinction Rebellion. NB I don't really trust Novara, but am interested in what ppl itt would have to say to it:

https://novaramedia.com/2018/11/18/5-reasons-im-not-joining-the-extinction-rebellion/

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 22:23 (five years ago) link

Oh look, Tabletmag has decided to cover this:

https://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/276374/a-cool-kid-communist-comeback

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 02:41 (five years ago) link

what happened to the tribune relaunch? did it happen? has anyone seen a copy?

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 04:55 (five years ago) link

I've been leafing through my copy. The layout is TERRIBLE, real flashbacks to my time spent editing the uni paper. The news section feels almost like an internal newsletter for the Labour left, but the articles are interesting - Wendy Liu from the NS on Silicon Valley is one I enjoyed.

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 09:53 (five years ago) link

the layout really is unbelievably bad

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 13:54 (five years ago) link

Nomiki Konst braves it:

Tucker Carlson: "Volume is not the same as an argument"
Nomiki Konst: "You don't like opinionated women do you?" pic.twitter.com/zzSOz8sOM5

— Contemptor (@TheContemptor) December 6, 2018

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Thursday, 6 December 2018 08:11 (five years ago) link

has anyone made a joke about the left experiencing a west wing drift? no I did not search the thread, I refuse

gbx, Thursday, 6 December 2018 08:19 (five years ago) link

have we talked about this yet?

Join the Progressive Internationalhttps://t.co/3RW9MXHqWF pic.twitter.com/o4zgiUoSHH

— Yanis Varoufakis (@yanisvaroufakis) December 1, 2018

We're in 2009—it's time to take risks, (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 6 December 2018 14:19 (five years ago) link

i'm interested

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:21 (five years ago) link

saw a number of center-left'ers in the US complaining that the video only features "white men as progressive leaders" which tells me everything i need to know about what these people think about mass politics

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:22 (five years ago) link

I was just listening to his live interview on The Dig where he mentions that. I feel like I need a little more info on what the concept is than just, here is a website, join.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:26 (five years ago) link

I see a certain mr. Texas just interviewed him as well

resident hack (Simon H.), Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:28 (five years ago) link

international cooperation between leftists seems more vital than ever, i really hope this gains some momentum (no corbyn pun intended)

We're in 2009—it's time to take risks, (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:08 (five years ago) link

I see a certain mr. Texas just interviewed him as well

― resident hack (Simon H.), Thursday, December 6, 2018 7:28 PM (fifty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

im sitting here like 'george strait interviewed this guy??'

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 6 December 2018 20:22 (five years ago) link

i thought this was a great, well-considered piece that knocks down critiques of antifa from the far left:

Antifa’s critics are correct to note that this is not the Weimar era, but they don’t offer any alternative explanations or responses to today’s developments. The street battles of 2017 had their origins in our own time. Trump’s election was part of a sequence of victories for right-populist and “illiberal” authoritarians in Britain, Russia, India, Turkey, Hungary, Italy, Colombia, and the Philippines. Militarizing borders in the face of global trade and immigration, removing all obstacles to capital in the form of unions or regulation, and attacking minority groups and women, this political wave shares enough with historical fascism that some call it “late fascism” or “post-fascism.” While there is no fully revolutionary wave to which this phenomenon responds, it has emerged in response to the Arab Spring, Occupy, Black Lives Matter and other social movements. The Trumpian emphasis on “law and order,” in particular, refers to the riots of Ferguson and Baltimore. These movements and the rightwing “illiberal” reaction to them gesture, respectively, toward revolution or dictatorship–a polarization strengthened by capitalist stagnation and ecological breakdown.

Through this more global, structural analysis, antifa must reckon with its own weakness. Why are they doxing memesters and punching college Republicans while ICE stalks courthouses, police brutality is celebrated, social spending is slashed, and the bourgeoisie pushes us towards climate armageddon? This argument cuts both ways, inasmuch as antifa can always ask what, by comparison, the doubters have done. By accomplishing their short-term goal of creating a material force against street-level fascists, antifa have demonstrated a capacity and willingness to take on those tasks commensurate with their abilities. Can anything similar be claimed by the partisans of party building and radical syndicalism? Nonetheless, we still have to question how these short-term goals bring us closer to the revolution that might end fascism once and for all.

https://communemag.com/anti-anti-antifa/

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 6 December 2018 21:28 (five years ago) link

By accomplishing their short-term goal of creating a material force against street-level fascists, antifa have demonstrated a capacity and willingness to take on those tasks commensurate with their abilities. Can anything similar be claimed by the partisans of party building and radical syndicalism?


extremely otm - i think antifa have done a pretty remarkable job of encouraging would-be fascists to consider very seriously whether getting their heads kicked in is a price they’re willing to pay to display their allegiances in public

We're in 2009—it's time to take risks, (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 6 December 2018 21:45 (five years ago) link

promoted tweet in my TL:

Life expectancy for the less wealthy has fallen, see how Inclusive Capitalism could reverse this trend here: https://t.co/xeDNpSe8S5 pic.twitter.com/NWtRTMsRw9

— Legal & General (@landg_uk) December 3, 2018

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 7 December 2018 11:51 (five years ago) link

capitalism has failed the poor! the answer? capitalism!

sir that’s my emotional support tapeworm (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 7 December 2018 11:53 (five years ago) link

lmao love this latest rebrand, surely this will be the one that sticks

resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 7 December 2018 13:07 (five years ago) link

Why are they doxing memesters and punching college Republicans while ICE stalks courthouses, police brutality is celebrated,

errr...I can think of a few reasons

Paul Ponzi, Friday, 7 December 2018 13:40 (five years ago) link

i mean the author's kinda strawmanning deliberately there right, it's practically sotto voce

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 7 December 2018 16:28 (five years ago) link

wHy ArE tHeY dOxXiNg MeMeStErs

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 7 December 2018 16:29 (five years ago) link

just saw a picture of Bhaskar's "Socialist Manifesto" book and died of mortification

resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 7 December 2018 16:39 (five years ago) link

promoted tweet in my TL:

Haha, mine too

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Saturday, 8 December 2018 04:04 (five years ago) link

very legal and very general

macropuente (map), Saturday, 8 December 2018 05:18 (five years ago) link

hamno...........................today i say hamyes

https://splinternews.com/bernie-dont-run-1830983072

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 10 December 2018 18:08 (five years ago) link

Here is what Bernie Sanders should do: endorse a Democratic presidential candidate who will best carry on his own ideas. I don’t really give a damn who it is. Warren, or Kamala Harris, or Sherrod Brown,


at least 66% ungood choices there afaict

has there been a decent profile of sherrod brown somewhere

resident hack (Simon H.), Monday, 10 December 2018 18:27 (five years ago) link

yeah i think he's picking bad names out of the hat but the thrust of 'i am legitimately afraid of democratic politics coming apart at the seams if we have a 2016 10x' is one i agree with

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 10 December 2018 18:33 (five years ago) link


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