one out all out: a brexit from the modern world and every one of its problems please (we're all gonna die lol)

Thing is, if May is prepared to accept every Labour amendment on the finance bill what else would they be prepared to accept in exchange for their support on the deal? This is a moment of maximum leverage for Labour and they could really humiliate the government in the process.

at least michael gove is working tirelessly behind the scenes

https://t.co/7fj8wCXDRm via @Magiquiz

— Michael Gove (@michaelgove) November 21, 2018

can we now move to the stage where we all die please

Is there a prize bigger than another election for Labour, do you think? Short of May renationalising the railways and NHS.

can we now move to the stage where we all die please

gove first

Update: 78

This is how tough it is for May to get her deal through. She needs an awful lot of these to backtrack on their public statements https://t.co/Oa9kW77qdy

— Alex Wickham (@alexwickham) November 21, 2018

how reliable a source is wickham? he is (a) ex guido and (b) notorious for running long seemingly important buzzfeed stories backed only by anonymous quotes

The jury's still out is the best I can say

I think Tracer's argument that it might pass on a later vote is more pertinent

Not sure how far down the barrel of the gun Tory Remainers actually want to look

Dear @jeremycorbyn
Good joke.
Would you like to debate me on Brexit?
Name your date, I’m sure we can find a venue.
I’ll understand if you’re too busy debating whether a second referendum is Labour policy with @Keir_Starmer
Best wishes, Dom Raab#convictionpolitics https://t.co/pUxMQ78mzh

— Dominic Raab (@DominicRaab) November 20, 2018

DEBATE ME IRL

come on down to anfield and we'll see then wont we

I appreciate that the phrase "debate me" functions well as a quick nobhead alarm in 2018

I like how it’s obvious he’s in a massive rage typing that, starting with “Good joke.”

"Good joke." Doesn't seem like a humourless psycho at all.

"Good joke. I like jokes. Ha ha ha."

Summit could be called off. Germany and France not on same page I hear. What a disaster for May if #EUCO is cancelledhttps://t.co/jSPHDv3sjF

— Bruno Waterfield (@BrunoBrussels) November 21, 2018

time for BMW to step in

nice joke you got there

shame if anyone were to....debate you on it

*insinuates back out into night*

Surely Big Dom should be mad at the captains of industry who were laughing anyway? Maybe he should debate all of them, one at a time, in the car park

oooh draab got spicy

"Watch out matey, I'm in the territorial army you know"

Surely Big Dom should be mad at the captains of industry who were laughing anyway? Maybe he should debate all of them, one at a time, in the car park

Mass debate me.

Piers Morgan did this exact thing with Little Mix yesterday after they called him a "silly twat" on daytime Radio 1.

I can imagine he was shocked at being called a silly twat for the first time in his life

I have been in communication with @lionelbarber and withdraw my earlier suggestion that he is manipulating the FT’s editorial line in order to gain a knighthood

— Andrew Adonis (@Andrew_Adonis) November 19, 2018

I’m writing to the FT’s Japanese owners expressing acute concern at the new editorial line of the FT, which now, astonishingly, supports Brexit. I will express concern that Japanese corporate interests have led the paper to change its previous anti-Brexit position @lionelbarber

— Andrew Adonis (@Andrew_Adonis) November 21, 2018

Can’t believe I’m old enough to remember when Adonis was being talked up as a fuure tPM.

Or even a future PM

TP is appropriate tbf

Amazing how Julius Nicholson seems more like a real person now.

omg

who the fuck is scraeming "DEBATE ME" at my house. show yourself, coward. i will never debate you

"im not owned! im not owned!!", Raab continues to insist as he slowly shrinks and transforms into a corn cob

Surely Big Dom should be mad at the captains of industry who were laughing anyway? Maybe he should debate all of them, one at a time, in the car park

― Danton Lok (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 21 November 2018 16:38 (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

That must be the kicker for Raab, Dangerous Commie Corbyn getting a laugh from the Captains of Industry at his expense.

May also counting on markets to get the deal through

The UK, a very normal country that is definitely not in need of an intervention, has got to the point where the government is banking on a crash in the markets to achieve its political objectives https://t.co/XaRHHWs9fX pic.twitter.com/4wS23JPqUd

— kadhim (＾ｰ^)ノ (@kadhimshubber) November 21, 2018

"The UK, a very normal country that is definitely not in need of an intervention" is pretty sweet.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-live-latest-update-pmqs-theresa-may-deal-jeremy-corbyn-eu-second-referendum-a8644116.html#post-1148417450

Is this headline slightly misleading? I get the feeling it's clickbait. But with with Tory No's to May's deal growing, a 2nd ref only seems more not less likely.

I dunno if this is still the brexit news thread or tother one is.

one side using a second referendum as the bogeyman, the other using it to foster hope in their base. neither seriously considering it

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/HideousNastyHoneycreeper-mobile.mp4

independent.co.uk is not a good source of information on anything

The UK, a very normal country that is definitely not in need of an intervention, has got to the point where the government is banking on a crash in the markets to achieve its political objectives https://t.co/XaRHHWs9fX pic.twitter.com/4wS23JPqUd

— kadhim (＾ｰ^)ノ (@kadhimshubber) November 21, 2018

― stet, Wednesday, 21 November 2018 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Didn't Draghi do "whatever it takes" to get the markets from going on a run on the Euro? Didn't the Europeans crush the Greek democracy because the markets were running out of patience?

This is all very, very normal as a strategy.

Draghi's "whatever it takes" was an insinuation that the ECB would make the banks whole(-ish) iirc

poor greece

beautiful moral maze earlier, which duly trashed the rapporteur's poverty report with the help of a very bullish + hateful Portillo. Some gr8 arguments like using poor ppl having broadband and smartphones as a reason to dismiss their poverty. Seriously guys, commit suicide or try and get murdered very soon. And then when the BBC is privatised it will be much more painless for you.

Also xyxzzz that's the difference between sovereign debt markets, which governments will do anything to placate, and equity markets which they don't really care about crashing as long as its useful.

If the market for UK gilts collapses we've all got bigger problems. But it's proved to be surprisingly resilient given every credit rating downgrade and dire govermnent warning about how we can apparently no longer afford to feed poor people any more.

it's a rare sighting of the lesser spotted lexit (genus larrus el lyot)!!

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/22/respect-eu-britain-outside-left-economy

Bit of a callback, but

Even so, what are the chances the vote conclusively backs remain with three choices on the ballot, and does so at 60%? (we all know the other side would want another one if it wasn't conclusive)

I can definitely see Remain getting 60% over No Deal in the second round if May's deal drops out in the first - not so confident if No Deal goes out first.

This would be 60% of the remaining votes though, not total voters - I've no illusions about the fact that a significant percentage of all three sides would view indicating a second preference as diluting their precious democratic fluids powers.

Larry Elliott isn't a moron and has been largely consistent in his line for a few years now, but that article doesn't adequately explain why the EU is to blame for the problem, how it would be better outside, let alone present any actual solutions.

What's the price paid for Draghi's promise and the Greek bailout? The Guardian has been running this pathetic thing on populists this week. How much of a populist are you? LOL, and its the #peoplesvote crowd that are now funding this thrash, keeping that show on the road.

I can't say I appreciate the difference between gilts and sovereign debt markets (I used to promise but I forget rn) - and I bet most MPs don't either. If a Black Wednesday style event were to happen, with the media outcry and hostility...and also for all of you who love the EU, don't think Germany and other EU countries wouldn't join that chorus either. Just get out, this is another show to be kept on the road.

Yeah I mean that example in the article in regards to Italy - well Italy are in the Euro etc. UK have more room for manoeuvre.

Loving the equivalence being drawn, by the Guardian and the BBC et al, between 'left populists' and sundry racists and fascists on the right. That's very useful.

I can definitely see Remain getting 60% over No Deal in the second round if May's deal drops out in the first - not so confident if No Deal goes out first.

Are you telling me there would be two rounds of votes?!