one out all out: a brexit from the modern world and every one of its problems please (we're all gonna die lol)

lol, I wonder if the vanguard of the Brexit Civil War troops in Hartlepool have six tests for Brexit meaning Brexit. Does this Brexit eat peanuts and throw it's excrement at ppl!

I’m glad to see that aussies taking our jobs is ok, but Bulgarians are not. I’m sure British business will be a’ok going’s from a system that is essentially free to one that costs thousands of pound.

Meanwhile ScoMo is blowing the ‘fuck off we’re full’ dog whistle pretty hard ride now, so reciprocity doesn’t seem to be on the cards.

A couple of right-wingers I know were chatting Brexit in the pub today. One said that the thing to be stockpiling is ammo. They're both hunters, so were discussing their guns for a bit. Apparently there will be 'civil war' if 'Brexit doesn't mean Brexit'.

― Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Monday, 19 November 2018 15:05 (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

tbh I'd encourage mass suicide by cop, egg them on

Looks like the confidence & supply arrangement is dead - DUP are abstaining on budget votes today.

Further to our Claire Perry discussions, she’s just been accused of bullying civil servants and members of staff.

have read a possible way out, which I'm skeptical of because i think referendums bring out the evil spirits: require a "ratification referendum" on the withdrawal agreement, where the choice is not between WA and no deal, but between WA and remain. this would require extension of A50 but EU would be happy to in this case as both options are acceptable to them. and because it's a referendum, "not delivering brexit" gets defused as an issue because the public had their say. like i said, not sure I'm convinced but it's the only option I've heard so far that feels even vaguely plausible.

if there was a referendum with May's deal or remain as the only options wouldn't it just be boycotted by a large % of the population (with the support of prominent media outlets, MPs etc), leaving us in even more of a mess than we are now regarding legitimacy, 'will of the people' etc?

lol, DUP spokesman was just making me laugh when asked if they will have to pay back some of the £2 bn confidence + supply fee and says: well, if they want to escalate the situation..

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they are so brazen, it does get pretty lol

democracy is immune to boycotts, the rotting cadaver of british politics never has more than a faint whiff of legitimacy and yet it all keeps going, the necromancy is so strong

I know there are other things to worry about, but please please can last Thursday be the high water mark for JR-M and his merry band of cunts?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/11/19/tory-brexiteers-admit-attempt-unseat-theresa-may-has-stalled/amp/

that they've been so much of an influential force in the Conservative party for so long and can't even muster up 48 signatures between themselves when they need to exert some real power is like when the big bad in series finale is Eddie The Eagle.

Hmm, paint a shite moustache on Jacob...

I saw in a few of the papers over the weekend that the more Brexity end of the cabinet, aware they they look like idiots to both sides now, were going to threaten to resign unless May goes back to renegotiate.

I can’t even remotely see that working, it just seems like standing up and saying “I frankly have no idea what’s happening but I feel things should be more better and I’m prepared to jab this buzzer until they are”.

Mogg has constantly threatened more than he can deliver and yet still the beeb et al portray him as some Machiavellian genius.

Jacob Rees-Mogg: is his project subtly machiavellian or merely cunning, baldrick-style?

(I'd actually be happy with a three-way referendum, May's deal vs No Deal vs Remain with some kind of AV*, but most of the country, along with some members of this august institution, seem to consider a system that allows people to pick the least hated choice as something that releases the evil spirits)

On the one hand it might be nice to have some other bunch of idiots to negotiate with the EU to confirm there isn't a magical better deal, on the other hand the one big button that conhome have been demanding people push (apart from the massive self-own "If we go to WTO then we won't set up a hard border, if _you_ want one then you'll have to set up one yourself") is refusing to pay the £39 billion, which I can't see the EU putting up with in any way shape or form.

*I think they all collapse to the same thing for three choices, one outcome?

remain would win that in a canter

FFS you can't admonish politicians for their irresponsibility and then advocate putting 'Food Shortages - Y/N' on the ballot.

yeah it would be a supreme failure of representative democracy

Xp tempted to vote Y in that instance as currently efforts to combat my middle aged spread are proving unavailing

Jacob Rees-Mogg: is his project subtly machiavellian or merely cunning, baldrick-style?

― Dan Worsley, Tuesday, 20 November 2018 08:55 (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

There was a headline a couple days ago, JRM unable to run his household on £5M a year. This being the bloke pencilled in for eventual Chancellor of the Exchequer?

‘Stop being defensive and build what British people want,’ Kit Malthouse tells architects

this and the roger scruton business - legitimate concerns about architecture?

that's right Kit, there are way too many pomo housing estates being built you pig ignorant twat

more like Kitsch Malthouse

Both built in the last 10 years. One will stand for centuries, one won’t. Our new “Building Better, Building Beautiful Commission” will help us creat the conservation areas of the future. #MoreBetterFaster pic.twitter.com/FJcwcbxb8D

— Kit Malthouse MP (@kitmalthouse) November 4, 2018

he seems to think that Albert Speer-esque fascist-classicism should be the model for British architecture

as i say, your average Taylor Wimpey development is way more Lilliput Lane than Blade Runner

so i'm not even sure what the homes issue is

For a Tory MP he seemingly knows nothing about how the economics of UK commercial property work. No developer is going to pay for neoclassical colonnades in prime Oxford Street retail/office space.

One of these military field uniforms will last for centuries, one won't. Our new "Equipping our Armed Forces with clothing that lasts" Commission will ensure no soldier ever has to worry that his body armour will deteriorate in the hundred years after the war is over. pic.twitter.com/qDdSWZIfGk

— BBCFaking (@BBCFaking) November 4, 2018

Thread here on this subject by the way:

can we not do this again. Ever. https://t.co/ADe82HR0jY

— Owen Hatherley (@owenhatherley) November 5, 2018

was getting proper Speer and Hitler wanking over 700ft doric pillars vibes from that pic. Anyways we don't need buildings that are going to last for centuries anymore, and loads of the limestone ones that have are getting dissolved by acid rain these days.

"No developer is going to pay for neoclassical colonnades in prime Oxford Street"

within a century you might need a submarine to admire it when it becomes part of Doggerland, so maybe best just carry on with the modern vulgar buildings eh?

remain would win that in a canter

I'm not that convinced tbh but it would at least be some kind of choice.

FFS you can't admonish politicians for their irresponsibility and then advocate putting 'Food Shortages - Y/N' on the ballot.

I think I asked you about this last time - I didn't get you then either.

If you were going to do a three way.referendum wouldnt you do

1. This Deal Yes/NO
2. In event of above not getting 50%+ LEAVE ANYWAY/REMAIN

rather than a straight three way question which can lead to disputed results (40% remain, 30% leave deal, 30% leave no deal, who is the actual winner)

stonehenge has lasted 4000-5000 years, why aren't we designing more buildings like that?

I'm probably missing something - in a two-way vote, one of them is going to get above 50%? You'd also get a lot of shouting about why that option got the first vote and not one of the others.

(40% remain, 30% leave deal, 30% leave no deal, who is the actual winner)

This would be where AV 'happens', though?

I grew up in a flat in a victorian neo-palladian mansion largely made of limestone and anyone who thinks those things stay habitable without massive, continual amounts of effort and expense is either a moron or is lying or both

houses of parliament has lasted hundreds of years... oh wait...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jan/31/mps-set-to-leave-houses-of-parliament-for-35bn-restoration

(that's 3.5 billion, not 35 like the url)

(xpost, almost)

I think I asked you about this last time - I didn't get you then either.

Putting No Deal on a ballot paper in the first place would be fundamentally irresponsible. In any case, hardly anyone in Westminster wants it, although those that do make a disproportionate amount of noise and shouldn't be validated in that way in the first place.

"Classicism walks; neo-classicism marches."
"Neo-classicism is classicism doing its military service."
"The neo-classical colonnade conceals the door to the armoury."
"Classicism: armies have bands. Neo-classicism:bands have armies."

Etc.
(Ian Hamilton Finlay, 'Some (Short) Thoughts on Neo-classicism)

Theresa May's spokesman says UK position is that "no deal is better than a bad deal." When asked about Liam Fox's comments that "a deal is better than no deal," he replies "we have been consistent on this throughout."

— Adam Bienkov (@AdamBienkov) November 20, 2018

Without the public repudiation of No Deal, it’ll fester for a generation as this great thing that could have been, and for which the public voted, if ‘we’ hadn’t had our hands tied by the conniving politicians.

I mean, I would definitely like if a love of representative democracy swelled in the heart of every man, but that’s been on a downswing for the last 15 years.

Who says ilx is a nice way of killing the boring hours at work when I can fantasize about a 2nd ref instead.

I like to fantasize about endlessly recursive referendums, each more legitimate than the last.

Just savouring all the details, like the sequence of events by which it happens, choices on the ballot, the campaign (the return of Banks and Farage to the frontlines), and then how art50 is eventually turned back and we can get back to giving Wales billions of euros they don't want. Some centrist prick could write it as an MR James style ghost story just in time for Xmas.

Or it could be Rambo II ('this time we win') but that's not classy enough.

I look forward to reading both your posts when the referendum happens. Ideally pictures of your faces would be great too.

Permanent scowls and smelling a fart