one out all out: a brexit from the modern world and every one of its problems please (we're all gonna die lol)

This Claire Tory is an arsehole.

She's comprehensively intimidated Dimbleby and, in doing so, forced him to show he's still got hair on his chest by bullying bumbling Barry.

Surely confidence and supply doesn't matter when the only business of Parliament is thrashing out a No Deal

the fuckin dup tho theyre the type of thickneck bolloxes that never get whats coming to them because theyre just too dense to hold to full account, those kids whose beleagured and worried mothers realised early on in development that obstinate aggression based around a very simple set of demands was the only toolkit worth drilling into the thick fucks

please god the wounds in this cousinfucking are fatal to both blights

Claire Perry is a cock. She’s muttering when any other panellist is trying to speak and patronising everyone in the room and OH MY GOD while I was trying to write the audience went mad at her for off-piste ad him attacks on Corbyn.

Well they haven’t passed the budget yet, so supply might matter imminently

I love the way the bbc are trying to hang "the markets fear of a Corbyn government and raised corporation tax, nationalisation etc" on the plummeting value of sterling today in radio reports. Their whole poisonous political dept needs to be turned to mulch if they are to have any kind of public funded future imo. And I don't mean replacing with the fucking Canary either!

Well, they won’t be able to do that if a GE is called.

unsurprisingly 2019 is the just about odds again hot fav at the bookies for the next election now, stoked for the madness!

"odds against" I meant to type.

Gove has done a sterling job of positioning himself as the compromise candidate to take over considering that everyone hates him. Think he would be an ideal candidate to be in charge when we crash out as we could all unite behind throwing him in the sea.

expatriated britisher here; haven't been able to follow every bit of incremental news - wondering if someone(s) here could explain something to me?

what the hell is Labour's strategy here? surely they must have some tactics planned out, corbyn's braintrust seems pretty smart - but SURELY they need either (a) another referendum; or (b) the Tories to negotiate Brexit?

at this stage If (a) doesn't happen and there's an election before (b) is able to take place, isn't there a near-inevitability Labour get elected and they're the ones who are forced to sit on the Brexit grenade?

i can't see why labour would want to encourage a general election at this moment?

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I once heard Gove's wife refer to him as an "alpha male" without any irony. He must have an amazing mind.

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one good reason for an election is to stop them killing ppl with Universal Credit and PIP for starters! But don't listen to me, this is the brexit thread!

This Claire Tory is an arsehole.

BREAKING michael gove has gotten into a car (from the today show)

if there's an election before conservatives negotiate brexit... labour swoop in and 'negotiate' continued membership of single market/CM (i.e. the softest possible brexits and as-close-as-possible to BRINO) and we get the show back on the road and government can stop governing.

tory brexit ultras' piss will boil. UKIP will probably come back onto the scene in some small way.

they'll upset some of their coalition because FOM will have to continue. but it will be incumbent on everyone to start doing the hard yards they should have been doing for the past twenty years so we don't get BREXIT II twenty years hence

government can *start governing

that's the fairytale version

theresa may on LBC now. she always seems so uncomfortable. her whole comportment is record scratch freeze frame how the hell did I get here

like S Bush said: she's no good at it, and it doesn't win her any friends or parliamentary votes - so basically a waste of time.

If they're going to do that, they might as well not leave - it won't piss off anyone who won't be pissed off by your scenario, Labour have (as of yesterday) started saying it was an option if there's no General Election, and Tusk said yesterday it would be their preferred solution.

I legit honestly don’t know why she would go on Nick Ferrari, that’s just sitting there taking abuse surely?

How do you relax? May on @LBC: "There's a variety of things I do. I enjoy going for a walk. On the plane coming back from Brussels the office have work for me to read." Do you have a drink: "From time to time"

— Matt Chorley (@MattChorley) November 16, 2018

nice question to ask someone with type 1 diabetes.

He asked her if she knew how Geoffrey Boycott ended his last first class innings - “he was run out by a guy called Jim Love. Is Michael Gove your Jim Love?”

corbyn's comm yesterday ('all options remain on the table') was just restating the party's position from conference. labour's position is still basically nudge nudge wink wink let's try keep the 2017 electoral coalition together

xp more like her jim lad

strap in lads

Sky sources: All government whips have been told to cancel any engagements today and return to London as a source close to the whip's office says a no confidence vote in the Prime Minister is now "likely"

— Sky News Breaking (@SkyNewsBreak) November 16, 2018

https://i.imgur.com/RZRMvLg.jpg

Couldn't agree more Ed. I'm not known for my love of the Tories, but she has been absolutely outstanding in delivering the right deal for the country. Meanwhile, where Corbyn? Probably talking about his favourite allotments in bloody Peru!! #wherecorbyn

— Simon Hedges (@Orwell_Fan) November 16, 2018

he makes twitter about 97% better does this one.

Gove not resigning because he's worried people might start wondering how on earth such a minnow ever managed to bluff his way into a cabinet job in the first place, and he will end up even more insignificant than Ed Balls.

.. and he's all out of friends.

michael gove, go on strictly

I mean you say this but https://youtu.be/jflrE4dYsgA

that video gave me cancer

https://youtu.be/gEVVwzo5E7s This is worse

o god it's metastasizing

him and Ed were on A Neil show together, I think during his last period of garden leave and some might say there is a chemistry there. Others might just say two nauseating cunts.

if there's an election before conservatives negotiate brexit... labour swoop in and 'negotiate' continued membership of single market/CM (i.e. the softest possible brexits and as-close-as-possible to BRINO) ... that's the fairytale version

I have seen this fairytale on twitter but (even ignoring that there probably won't be a GE) not at all sure that's actually Labour's secret plan. obv they aren't going to tell us the secret plan as half of their voter base will hate it either way, but is there much to support it other than "people on twitter would like it to be true"?

it's a nice fairytale, though, I like it, of course, but I wouldn't put any faith in it even existing as a possibility

John McDonnell, the shadow chancellor, told the Today programme this morning that Labour could secure a Commons majority for a compromise Brexit plan... Labour could seek support for an alternative agreement with the EU based on a permanent customs union and a “close collaborative relationship” with the single market.

McDonnell told the programme:

I think we can secure a majority. What is absolutely certain is that the government’s proposal won’t command a majority in the House of Commons.

Anyone having seen what happened in the House of Commons yesterday realises that the proposals that the prime minister brought forward will not command a majority and therefore there has to be some discussions. There has to be some movement.

You saw in the debate yesterday, and certainly some of the discussions that have taken place around the House of Commons, people have looked over the edge of a no-deal Brexit and realised it could be catastrophic for our economy.

I think our European partners also have looked over the edge of a no-deal Brexit and seen what an impact it could have on their economies.

So I think what is emerging within the House of Commons now is almost a unity platform to avoid a no deal, and therefore get down to serious discussions about what could construct a deal which would enable us to protect jobs and the economy.

I think that is beginning to emerge around the permanency of the customs union, the relationship with the single market.

McDonnell is also saying he believes this could be negotiated to incorporate some kind of opt-out on freedom of movement so I think we're still on Fantasy Island either knowingly or not

Still at least a general election will give us some final, clear answers on the electorate's real views on the EU and stabilise parliamentary democracy for future generations.

It's shit or get off the pot time for Labour and they're still sitting there, clean-arsed.

I love the way the bbc are trying to hang "the markets fear of a Corbyn government and raised corporation tax, nationalisation etc" on the plummeting value of sterling today in radio reports.

You don't need to be Warren Buffet to know that the markets fear no deal more than everything else combined. McDonnell has spent so much time in the City of late they're probably relaxed enough about him as Chancellor, especially when the alternative is economic collapse.

has it not been the known but unspoken labour position throughout this whole palaver? it's what makes the dim ramblings of marsan and co so infuriating.

talk noisily about having to 'honour the referendum result' to shore up the leave part of their coalition and not allow the tory party to cast them as wreckers. recently, they've had to start talking noisily about 'considering all options', as a concession to the overwhelmingly remain membership. I don't think they're really seriously considering a 'people's vote'.

labour are positioning as best they can to make the best of a bad situation and are ostensibly on the FBPE's side... but they recognise that you can't just reset things back to 2016 because, you know, politics. FBPE carping could have risked fucking things up if the labour leadership team weren't so canny

I wonder if anybody's done the maths on what kind of majority Labour would actually need to get a brexit not brexit deal thru parliament, factoring in potential fuckery from the Blairites still trying to refight the leadership election, possible SNP tactical refusal etc

Thanks |||||||| - that's a bit more definite than anything I'd seen but I do feel like there's still a lot of hedging going on, statements which imply SM+CU and statements which seemingly rule it out, plus deliberately woolly wording like "relationship with".

Obviously I understand why they have to do that! But, it's comforting to say "the fudge is to shore up the leave part of the coalition" but who am I to decide that the fudge isn't concocted for Remoany-if-we-have-to-leave-make-it-softies like myself? Seems like there's a bit of "we're too clever for a fudge so the fudge is definitely for the other lot" (not here but on twitter I mean).

Well, there are a lot of ~events~ to get through before it would matter anyway; perhaps all will become clearer, if it even comes to that.

(thoughts to self re my previous declaration that a GE is improbable - I guess with the DUP's statement and the summoning of MPs the chances have gone up a lot since even y/day evening when I was last thinking through the options - in fact I haven't checked the news for an hour so it's possible one is already inevitable and I'm the only person here who doesn't know...)

Meanwhile, to lower the tone, the following headline is the lead article in this morning's daily German newsblast email from Deutsche Welle:

Theresa May und der Brexit-Deal wanken

Huh huh.

(stagger or falter, apparently)

This is all with the caveat that things could change very quickly, we're approaching a major political and economic shock and in those circumstance The Will Of The People can change very suddenly.