one out all out: a brexit from the modern world and every one of its problems please (we're all gonna die lol)

if you limp over the finish line, 52/48, then you don't get to have your hard brexit. do these dolts not appreciate that?

i think it's fair to say by now that no, those dolts do not appreciate that

Top mischief from Donald Tusk.
He tells reporters in Brussels: "The EU is prepared for a final deal with the United Kingdom in November.
"We are also prepared for a no-deal scenario but of course we are best prepared for a no-Brexit scenario."
NO-BREXIT SCENARIO

— Jack Maidment (@jrmaidment) November 15, 2018

The British public does not back Theresa May's Brexit deal

Support - 19%
Oppose - 42%
Don't know - 39%

42% of Leave voters oppose the deal, as do 47% of Remain votershttps://t.co/DLVwqFaB0x pic.twitter.com/Lch2F0ICgy

— YouGov (@YouGov) November 15, 2018

if you limp over the finish line, 52/48, then you don't get to have your hard brexit. do these dolts not appreciate that?

sometimes I like to imagine the tabloid headlines in the parallel universe where a 52/48 break in the other direction was declared a stunning mandate for the hardest possible Remain, i.e. join Euro, Schengen, no more rebate, start pushing for an EU army right now, etc

it would clearly be the will of the people and everyone would have known what they were voting for

anyway I don't really know if today's news is good or bad in the long run, like I no longer know if I think May's withdrawal agreement might be the best of bad options (obv I am the biggest boringest Remoaner ever and so it would still be nice to have no Brexit or stay in SM as well as CU but there's no clear path to either of those outcomes, at least not nearly so clear as the possibility for everyone to fuck around for 4 more months until we crash out), so I will just settle for the fact that today has been quite funny

winner takes ball

Be interested to see which aspects of the deal Leave voters generally oppose.

has anyone been keeping a count of the number of saboteurs that theresa may has successfully crushed to date?

she hasn't even managed to successfully dent any afaict

4 my remoaners

New @skydata poll:
Of the three Brexit outcomes Theresa May says are available, would you prefer a) her deal, b) no deal or c) no Brexit?
No Brexit 54%
No deal 32%
Her deal 14%

— Ed Conway (@EdConwaySky) November 15, 2018

Though the source of that did have "(An important point to remember about public opinion is that people are quite capable of believing things that are contradictory.)"

But on the other hand

Third @skydata q: Who would you most trust to lead the country through Brexit?
Theresa May 31%
Jeremy Corbyn 25%
Jacob Rees-Mogg 18%
Boris Johnson 17%
Dominic Raab 10%

— Ed Conway (@EdConwaySky) November 15, 2018

But on the other other hand

Second @Skydata poll q: Would you support or oppose a referendum choosing between the draft Brexit deal proposed by Theresa May, Brexit without a deal, or remaining in the EU?
Strongly support 44%
Tend to support 11%
Tend to oppose 7%
Strongly oppose 28%
Don’t know 10%

— Ed Conway (@EdConwaySky) November 15, 2018

May once bought some £140 Caribou boots once and couldn't even crush snow in them.

lol, according to another Conway tweet, Sky polled exactly 1488 people.

To clarify the change of Labour panellist tonight – given the developments on Brexit in the last 48 hours we felt it was appropriate to have a member of the Labour front bench on tonight’s Question Time – hence the replacement of @SKinnock was at our request, and not his. #bbcqt https://t.co/ZvtwELDZcn

— BBC Question Time (@bbcquestiontime) November 15, 2018

LOOOOOOOL

they had legitimate concerns about Skinnock

ha!

This is not a great press conference, but she'd do well on Jackanory.

BBCQT producer: i'm reading that "this is as historic as politics gets in peacetime" so labour-wise let's go with the most useless labour front bencher and for once bin the most useless labour MP

barold gardiner seemed alright until he started freelancing the party's brexit policy in the papers

well he's no top notch politician, but that's what I like about Barry tbh!

in conclusion he's a twit but not a twat

I'm feeling more sympathy for May's repeating catchphrases when I hear the quality of the questions she gets (which is a sign I should turn the stream off).

i am wondering what people think a good Brexit deal would look like if they just accepted for a minute that Brexit was happening

It would look like: Brexit not happening.

which renders those poll results you quoted nonsensical

ffs somebody shoot the cunt with the megaphone

xp I quoted a lot of them? I mentioned they were contradictory?

Remember that I'm coming from this not just as someone settled in the UK but as someone who's still Irish and has a lot of connection to people back there. Any Brexit is a hard Brexit.

i am wondering what people think a good Brexit deal would look like if they just accepted for a minute that Brexit was happening

what do you think it would look like?

most banal answer is "any agreement that can be got thru parliament" at this point, but i'm not unduly bothered. just rolling my eyes at the levels of wishful thinking across the board.

do you think brexit will have no negative effect on your life or do you just not give a shit?

there is no whatdyoucallit set yknow where all the circles meet

not socially now i meant cartesian maths whatever look its been a while

do you think brexit will have no negative effect on your life or do you just not give a shit?

― Jacob Lohl (stevie), Thursday, November 15, 2018 10:01 AM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

brexit is obvisouly bad, but it's also obviously happening.

there's also no electoral solution to the political problem of the brexit vote (via a "people's" vote)

The agreement that's on the table is probably about as good a deal as we're likely to get from the EU at this stage.

It would be an inferior deal to staying in but there's no obvious path to that happening given the people involved and the ticking clock.

Tipping the table over now is likely to be disastrous and all the stuff about second referendums and elections is magical thinking. At least under the current deal there's a transition period which would make rejoining easier.

When does the actual Parliamentary vote happen?

I'm sure I heard 15th December

lol why does it have to be so far in the future?

For narratological reasons.

might have been the 5th actually, just saw it quoted as happening in "early December".

do you think brexit will have no negative effect on your life or do you just not give a shit?

my best *guess* is that like many people it will impact me negatively but from a position where the margins for things getting more negative are so fine as to not feel particularly scary. but the real point is jim and Matt's.

pic.twitter.com/HdCfuvvVMy

— æon (@aeonofdiscord) November 15, 2018

If we'd heard as much about Brexit in the run up to the 2015 election as we have since then maybe we wouldn't be in this situation because a few people might have thought twice about voting for Cameron, but it just didn't seem to be an issue then.

it was never enough of an issue to give UKIP any kind of Parliamentary representation

I’m hallucinating. I just imagined that our Prime Minister, having lost a chunk of her cabinet and the support of her party, called a press conference, announced that she was Geoffrey Boycott and sashayed off screen.

— The Secret Barrister (@BarristerSecret) November 15, 2018

I caught the end of this on periscope (my new favourite way to follow political drama!) and the whole stream laughed at her going “he got the runs in the end” and striding off dramatically.

Probably a reference to this:

Since I first went into bat eleven years ago, the score at your end has ticked over nicely, You are now the 663rd Lord Mayor. At the Prime Minister's end, we are stuck on 49. I am still at the crease, though the bowling has been pretty hostile of late. And in case anyone doubted it, can I assure you there will be no ducking the bouncers, no stonewalling, no playing for time. The bowling's going to get hit all round the ground. That is my style.

though idk if specifically likening yourself to a spousal-abusing racist improves it,

When all else fails, quote your favourite perpetrator of domestic violence.