one out all out: a brexit from the modern world and every one of its problems please (we're all gonna die lol)

im not given to little chickening but im actually starting to wonder at what stage we do have to start worrying about a crimea effort from you nutters

I wonder how many political careers are going to be obliterated in the next four or five months.

i actually like marsan as an actor but

Disagree with Theresa May all you like, but she’s come up with the best possible Brexit at the same time as acknowledging the truth, that it can be stopped. Corbyn refuses to acknowledge the truth because he puts his ideology before the country.

— Eddie Marsan (@eddiemarsan) November 14, 2018

His case of Corbyn Derangement Syndrome has put me right off watching him act in anything.

all actors are bad people except tracer, it's an iron law

that guy has brain worms

Marsan could maybe just get on with the acting life in the US, doing that garbage Sopranos knock off that nobody ever talks about. And maybe occasionally say on twitter he doesn't quite agree with Corbyn's leadership of Labour. But it's a full time job for this prick! His twitter beats the Simon Hedges parody hands down, it's the ultimate melt-zone with a New Labour themed wallpaper, some makes-u-think orwell type quote in the biog. constant Chuka, Lammy, Joylon, D Hodges retweets!

yes i only ever see it third hand, i have crafted my bubble semi-effectively

At least David Lammy gives a shit about poor people. The chief thing about slugmelts is that they’re too busy meltsignaling to all the other FBPEs about “magic grandpa” to notice that people are sleeping on the streets and being cheated out of their benefits etc etc.

That sounds like literally 60% of posters on the Charlton forum I post to (the other 40% are Brexiters)

Tory Brexiters become angrier and angrier as they wade through 585 pages of the Withdrawal Agreement. “This is a worse capitulation than we feared” said one. They tell me there will be enough letters in with Brady of ‘22 C’ttee by lunch tomorrow to force vote of confidence!

— Robert Peston (@Peston) November 14, 2018

Believe it when I see it.

i fancy it tbh

no confidence and election before the end of the year. fun and games

mutters: election, election

louder: election!

sweeps everything from desk, gets up on desk: ELECTION!

lol we’re all gonna die

Fine with that as long as Tories die first.

I've already waited for 16 months for her political annihilation, I think the "waiting with bated breath" period ended about a year ago and now I never believe it until I see the bloodied corpse (to use the vernacular of her party tbf!).

If May wins a vote of confidence, they don’t get to challenge her for another year, so they really only get one shot at it.

I don’t think there’s enough time left this year to call an election?

No way they want an election, therefore nothing will happen.

mutters: election, election

louder: election!

sweeps everything from desk, gets up on desk: ELECTION!

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 22:45 (seventeen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

never not a classic ref

Well Eddie all that is debatable as they say...ps thought you were brilliant in the Disappearance of Alice Creed..

— Steve Reid (@stevereid100) November 14, 2018

Tool as Marsan and his ilk is, I think Corbs should make the heel turn and announce that they'll support the agreement.

* better option than no deal
* absolves Labour from any responsibility for whatever shit happens next
* fucks over Tory Brexiters and the DUP death cult
* profit?

helps his ra buddies an all

Ramoaners

you forgot
* confuses the melts into a paradoxical existential meltdown.

It's literally all up side

That sounds v similar to the justification given for supporting A50 which they have not escaped criticism for.

It’s still a pretty bad deal. It does at least keep the lights on until the next election, but that’s about all it has going for it.

She said it herself today: it’s this deal, no deal, or no Brexit (from this government). Labour should push for the third — govt collapse is justification enough for an a50 extension to let Labour try a Brexit unfettered by bullshit red lines if it wants to, or a better-framed ref if it must

An election is still a big gamble, especially an election heavily leaning on Ref 2.

Dunno if Labour support would make May more vulnerable to a leadership challenge as the ERG get backed into a corner but that would just add to the fun. Did we ever decide who the milquetoast likely winner will be? Surely not 1986 World Snooker champion Jo Johnson?

as a USian who presumably would be a Labour voter in England (SNP in Scotland maybe lol) I would be dismayed if Labour voted for the government's brexit deal, whatever it was. The government in your system ostensibly runs the show as a united front, the opposition does not have the duty to deliver the votes for the enabling legislation for a policy (Brexit) that it opposes (right?). If May says "it's this deal or Thunderdome", Labour don't have to buy into that and vote for it out of deference to their anti-Thunderdome constituents.

The Labour Party does not oppose Brexit though.

that's unfortunate

I'd probably wind up voting for whatever party's platform was to go to Brussels and say "never mind, please"

"the opposition does not have the duty to deliver the votes for the enabling legislation for a policy"

tell that to the 80% of the Labour Party bunch of cunts that abstained on the Welfare Bill in '15!

Does this deal pass Starmer's tests?

(xxp) Suggest moving to Scotland and voting SNP after all.

I might; how do they feel about Jews up there

You'll have no problems as long as you keep away from Ayrshire.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DsAF9arWoAc8RSK.jpg

new Oxford dictionary updates to add to the rich brexit dialogue.

‘keep away from ayrshire’ is one of the immutable laws of nature

BDExit

The Labour Party does not oppose Brexit though.

Labour’s position is that it doesn’t oppose the result of the referendum, for the simple reason that explicitly doing so would see the Tories and media united in condemning them as anti-democratic and pinning the blame for whatever happened on them. The fact we’re even talking about labour being blamed for a no-deal outcome is testimony to this.

Their real Brexit position is the six tests, designed to push for the softest Brexit, and this deal compromised a lot but it isn’t it. So Corbyn will almost certainly whip to vote down the deal, as will the SNP, Lib Dems and Plaid. If there’s a chance the government could fall, labour can’t be voting to keep them in office, never mind voting for what is a pretty shit deal.

Last night the PM admitted that the deal was better than no deal, which has always been true but only seems ok to say with the spectre of no deal fast approaching. I wouldn’t want to predict what will happen next, but it may not even be up to Labour. If TM is ousted (unlikely) or resigns (more probable but still unlikely), it’s pretty certain her successor would be a hard Brexiteer, and all that person would have to do is wait out the clock to crash out.

It’s a total mess but the government brought this on themselves and they will be the ones to blame.

Also worth noting that TM spoke to Foster, Sturgeon and Corbyn pretty late last night so who knows...

Oh, and...

Just concluded initial conversation with Theresa May. Will resume conversation with Simon Coveney in the morning.

— Mary Lou McDonald (@MaryLouMcDonald) November 14, 2018

Sorry, last one from me. Just saw this from Corbyn:

This is a bad deal which isn't in the interests of the whole country. #WithdrawalAgreement #BrexitChaos pic.twitter.com/vfUK2DgGUY

— Jeremy Corbyn (@jeremycorbyn) November 14, 2018

no deal seems most likely now. it doesn’t matter how she reconfigures this deal (if she even does), there will be another chorus of caterwauling regardless. the only deal that can carry the commons would rent the tories in two so it’s either no deal or a conservative party split

This guy I've never heard of's resignation letter is well weird. You've resigned after four months, mate, you're not getting a carriage clock for a lifetime achievement.

With much sadness and regret I have submitted my letter of resignation as a Northern Ireland Minister to the Prime Minister. A copy of my letter is attached.
It has been a joy and privilege to serve in the Northern Ireland Office and I will always cherish the fondest memories. pic.twitter.com/SN8j4OwhYD

— Shailesh Vara MP (@ShaileshVara) November 15, 2018

it’s pretty certain her successor would be a hard Brexiteer

Not so sure about this tbh, they’d still have to be nominated by the MPs.

no deal seems most likely now

Apparently Matt Hancock has already been out clarifying that ‘or not leave at all’ was just a turn of phrase, obviously no-one wants that.

Also I’m reminded of post-Chequers, when there was talk of more big resignations after Boris and Davis, and it was pebbles of the size of Mr Vara - either there’s a properly planned build up this time, or that’s it (or he wanted 15 seconds in the news before the big names)

xp the 15 seconds are his fondest memories!

Watched a bunch of people get ready to save their PM at the slightest hint of remaining.