Jism
― Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 00:13 (five years ago) link
yeah, the humorous answer is p much drowning out ever other sound in the cosmos right now
― mark s, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 00:15 (five years ago) link
thatd be captain marvel then
― unproven (darraghmac), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 00:21 (five years ago) link
Skism, learned it at shool
― two Barongs don't make a Wight (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 11:12 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsg1oglcVr8
― Mark G, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 11:14 (five years ago) link
bugpowder dust and mugwump shismall the wild boys running round interzone tripping
...oh, sorry, forgot it isn't the 90s any more. Serious answer is same as Dan S, "wasn't aware anybody pronounced it any way other than skism"
I do have problems with the word "schedule" though. Like, in theory I go with "sk" but in practice 99% of the time I get to the S and a sudden skedule-vs-shedule doubt hits me and some slurred halfway sound flops out and I get self-conscious. Maybe now I can have a problem with "schism" too. Thanks, thread!
― a passing spacecadet, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 11:39 (five years ago) link
I say skedule but iirc that is a vulgar Americanism?
― Colonel Poo, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 11:40 (five years ago) link
How can it be anything other than sk?
As I said: shism, shool, shedule, shizophrenia, get tae fuck
― two Barongs don't make a Wight (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 11:52 (five years ago) link
I've only ever heard 'skism'. In keeping with all of those other Ancient Greek words like 'chaos' where the χ (ha) becomes a k.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 11:59 (five years ago) link
xxp (checks nearby 90s revision of Fowler's Modern English Usage)
Ah yes, "schedule" is that way round, Colonel Poo OTM. I think I theoretically knew that once but still always had the fear about it and then forgot the right way round.
Also re schism it says "The OED (1910) had only /'sɪz(ə)m/" (sizm, if my IPA doesn't come out) which is still preferred in church usage. Which I did not know, on either count.
skism still good to me, probably will stick with skedule in future now my tweedy ex-classicist former boss (much <3 to him) has retired, cz it was mainly him I felt self-conscious about language matters in front of. The main thing, though, would be to pick one and not get confused partway through.
― a passing spacecadet, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 12:02 (five years ago) link
In Ecclesiastical Latin, I assume it's pronounced 'shisma', much like the French 'schisme' (sounds like 'shism'). So the Anglican pronunciation is possibly sui generis, as is its wont.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 12:08 (five years ago) link
Interesting and most appropriate that its neutral gender in Greek and Latin should have given rise to an East-West split among Romance languages: masculine in French, Spanish and Italian, feminine in Romanian.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 12:12 (five years ago) link
Shism. I forget the meaning of the word and would have gone with skism if I could remember how ppl around me say the word but I can’t hear anyone say it in my mind.
― He said captain, I said wot (FlopsyDuck), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 12:39 (five years ago) link
it's not an english word; it's greek -- σχίσμα
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 14 November 2018 13:28 (five years ago) link
I mean, σχίσμα is a Greek word; schism is an English word whose roots lie in Greece.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 13:35 (five years ago) link
That was exactly what I first said yesterday upon learning the annoying history of this English word. Then I said, I'll make a poll.
― mick signals, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 15:06 (five years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Thursday, 15 November 2018 00:01 (five years ago) link
Successful poll.
― ROCK MUSIC (Tom D.), Thursday, 15 November 2018 00:03 (five years ago) link
I learned this word from Anthrax
― The Poppy Bush Autozone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 15 November 2018 00:03 (five years ago) link
scheptical abt this
― unproven (darraghmac), Thursday, 15 November 2018 00:11 (five years ago) link
so is the difference that it's pronounced sism in the UK and skism in the US, or is it more random than that
― Dan S, Thursday, 15 November 2018 00:19 (five years ago) link
No-one pronounces it sism and I know ILX is US dominated now but 33 to 1 seems unlikely.
― ROCK MUSIC (Tom D.), Thursday, 15 November 2018 00:24 (five years ago) link
The two sism-sayers I met that inspired this poll are Americans in their 60s.
― mick signals, Thursday, 15 November 2018 00:32 (five years ago) link
According to one of them, if you ask Siri, Siri says sism.
― mick signals, Thursday, 15 November 2018 00:36 (five years ago) link
'Siri, say sism'
― Mark G, Thursday, 15 November 2018 09:51 (five years ago) link
Time to pass these findings on to the OED.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 15 November 2018 10:19 (five years ago) link
Whoa, "male from United States" says "sism" here: https://forvo.com/word/schism/#en . I honestly had no idea there was more than one pronunciation of this word.
― Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Thursday, 15 November 2018 11:56 (five years ago) link
'Female from United States' says both. Could it be a regional thing?
― pomenitul, Thursday, 15 November 2018 12:03 (five years ago) link
My informants are from the working-class northeast but I was guessing it may be generational.
― mick signals, Thursday, 15 November 2018 14:06 (five years ago) link