one out all out: a brexit from the modern world and every one of its problems please (we're all gonna die lol)

i can absolutely imagine a general election being triggered soon and the tories still being in government

I can also imagine Labour winning an election tbh

i can imagine... alan yentob

I can imagine there's no heaven

Maitlis outright lying about Corbyn on Newsnight. Blaming Labour for Brexit would be a bit rich.

Are we leaving UNESCO?

" not content with causing the 2008 global financial crisis, the Labour Party then fucked up Brexit for us" might lack credibility in '18, even with sections of the electorate that aren't really paying much attention. But in 2015 Labour were fucking terrible at shutting down the former line of attack, possibly cos they were too busy trying to prove they could be just as big a bunch of cunts as Gideon at the time. I'd like to think this time that blaming some bodged Brexit on Labour might be a difficult trick, beyond these clowns anyway.

itll hardly take the tories to do it tbf, its sitting there ready for anyone to say it and then boom

Pretty hard for the Tories to dodge any responsibility this time round tho.

They are the fucking government after all.

they don't dodge it they just ignore the charge until press and voters get bored and forget

I don't think that would be an option in an election campaign tbh.

the fbpe piss boilers are saying it every day, no boom!

Yes, but they're incapable of booming tbf.

presumably steam the problem?

They have sufficient hot air, for sure.

The detail on the Irish backstop:
1. A UK-wide customs union, and no NI-only version (UK win)
2. An independent panel to arbitrate a ‘good faith’ end mechanism (UK win)
3. No backstop end date or time limit (UK loss)
4. Full level playing field rules apply thru out (UK loss)

— Tom Newton Dunn (@tnewtondunn) November 13, 2018

Who is going to vote for that? There’s something in there for at least seven people to hate, and that’s the majority gone. And Labour won’t like it enough to compensate.

cant parse those w/l calls tbh

possibly theres a case for a brexit so mild that you could just tell yes voters ye had done it but didnt bother, whats the over/under on that

Seems reasonable to me

i was frankly surprised when that wasn't the first thing proposed. with a 52% majority you could easily have made the case that the public wanted out of the EU but not to the extent that the uk leaves the single market. it was wild how quickly that overton window on the mandate got established.

That's cause labour mps decided the really important thing in the aftermath of the vote was to spend three months brutally infighting trying to oust the party leader. Cheers guys.

The "uk win", "eu win" stuff is there for the vast majority of people who have no interest in or understandibg of the actual issues, but urgently wish to know which team is winning

Are we leaving UNESCO?

No. No 10 put out an immediate and firm denial of this yesterday.

Meanwhile Opposition Parties join together to sign letter to PM demanding that Commons has right to make amendments to meaningful vote motion on Brexit Deal in advance of main vote, unlike Raab proposals pic.twitter.com/q5mtSv3jrG

— Faisal Islam (@faisalislam) November 13, 2018

In case you needed any confirmation that it’s on.

Also laughing at various people (JR-M etc) raging that Tony Connolly from RTÉ scooper basically everyone. But that’s been par for the course the whole time. I think I posted in this thread previously where he had a story on the front page of RTÉ hours before the press here ran it.

RTÉ are reporting that the EU will offer an all-UK customs union.

― gyac, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 13:19 (three weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Lol I forgot it was this (time flies when the cliff’s approaching...)

The "uk win", "eu win" stuff is there for the vast majority of people who have no interest in or understandibg of the actual issues, but urgently wish to know which team is winning

― All right! A new season! (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, November 14, 2018 7:20 AM (thirty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Stephen Bush keeps making this argument - that the majority of voters have a shakey at best understanding of the ins and outs of the single market, customs union etc, so whether any deal is seen as a humiliating loss/betrayal of the will of the ppl depends more on how a small group of brexiteer opinion formers respond to it

https://www.conservativehome.com very normal selection of articles from the home of conservatism today.

Lineker then appeared on stage to noisy applause from the crowd, where he was joined by Johnson, who left government on Friday, saying Theresa May was offering the public a false choice of the “vassalage” of her planned agreement or the “chaos” of Brexit.

As the pair sat on chairs facing each other, Lineker began: “First and foremost, Jo, what did you think of Manchester United’s formation?”, before allowing Johnson to explain that he had also believed it was right to “try and make a success of Brexit”.

can't wait for the "politically homeless" barbershop quartet with Izzard + Geldof.

8D chess from Cooper here

Another day at @CommonsHomeAffs trying to get to bottom of Home Office plans for No Deal. Here’s what Home Office have now told us No Deal means:
1. Less security at border.
2. Free movement continues.
3. Less immigration enforcement.
Not sure that’s what people voted for.

— Yvette Cooper (@YvetteCooperMP) November 13, 2018

when in doubt, double down on Legitimate Concerns.

Expect to see the fbpe crowd annoyed that Labour aren’t making the case in favour of immigration, no wait...

Anna Soubry on Today this morning insisting the UK could just not leave and everything would go back to the way it was before the referendum. She then doubled down to say it was the UK's responsibility to stay to help prevent the "insanity of the majority of EU ideas" such as the EU army.

Then followed by RL-B who was just as bad, trying to avoid any statement that could be characterised as definitive (including having "can Brexit be stopped" put to her directly 4 times) and ending up saying she doubted she could vote for the deal because of what no deal might look like.

Reminder for when foghorns blast tomorrow...https://t.co/NyeuLAZQkW pic.twitter.com/BEPl1B6Efx

— Harry Cole (@MrHarryCole) November 13, 2018

xxp lol and yet this will not make a dent in her cult status with some people.

https://www.conservativehome.com very normal selection of articles from the home of conservatism today.

The two Paul Goodman articles suggest a long night.

Christ alive that Yvette Cooper tweet. I remember when people were fawning over her because of her handling of the Windrush affair while erasing Diane Abbott from the conversation. If Labour 'moderates' hadn't doubled down on rhetoric like this rather than challenging it, we wouldn't have had Windrush in the first place (and perhaps not Brexit).

Yvette Cooper was a massive proponent of all that post-2010 hostile environment speak herself, she's one of the worst - always on the wrong side of any argument, especially when it seems the "popular" position to take.

a big enough hypocrite to nudge Abbott out of the way, loudly criticising a policy she was complete stan for.

aditya chakrabortty does it again in the grauniad with a piece on the un rapporteur's visit to our sceptred isle which concludes

Whether it’s Tony Blair and his “big conversation” or Cameron and his false belief that the Brexit vote was in the bag, leading British politicians don’t do listening – for the simple reason that they wouldn’t like what they’d hear. The evidence about austerity, about economic hollowing-out, about a shoulder-shrugging bureaucracy was all readily available before Alston flew over from the UN. But the government, like most of the press, didn’t want the truth to be acknowledged – because then it would be compelled to act. This is what Britain has been reduced to: hoping that a foreigner has the stomach and integrity to hear and record our decade of shame.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/14/un-austerity-destroying-lives-philip-alston-poverty-uk

Christ alive that Yvette Cooper tweet. I remember when people were fawning over her because of her handling of the Windrush affair while erasing Diane Abbott from the conversation.

Yepppppp.

It also undermines the fondly trotted out and complacent line that everything pre-2016 (or 2010, depending on your viewpoint) was about 'cosmopolitan liberalism'. If you were well off or otherwise lucky (read, white) you got cosmopolitan liberalism. If you weren't you got a surveillance state and constant hassle from police or immigration authorities.

i uh wtf is this supposed to mean

“If the officers won’t stop this then the poor bloody infantry will have to” - ERG bod on PMs Brexit deal

— norman smith (@BBCNormanS) November 14, 2018

credit to Graun, I thought the un rapporteur's visit had been cancelled or something.

there is a disability campaigner I have a lot of respect for who is a complete Cooper apologist and reckons she wouldn't have had anything to do with the ruinous ATOS means testing assessments if she knew how bad they were going to be. I don't believe that shit for a minute.

there was a dece channel 4 news piece on the rapporteur's visit too tbf

I don't really think that Cooper believes half the shit she comes out with, it's entirely about political positioning.

can brexit be stopped

next Dr Who ep?