The Jordan Peterson Thread

Using the language of "class" does muddy things imo, Treesh. If there's a class dynamic at work here, it isn't really in the Marxist or even the socioeconomic sense.

Worth noting the reverential tones in which Fox & Friends hosts address him as "professor" and tell him how smart he is. It does suggest that the anti-intellectualism that exists on the right is related to some kind of sour grapes, that they really want and feel they should have more scholarly respect and credence than they do. xps to Treeship

Oh, did I “go mention” it?

Seriously, the middle class is slipping away as a concept in America, tons of people feel insecurity for all kinds of reasons, and the language of “woke” culture feels alien and inpenetrable to many people, and Peterson’s simplified worldview speaks to all of these things, in my view, in addition to appealing to misogyny.

Xp

That Cumtown bit is really gross btw.

Sorry for my snarky tone tom d i regret it already

Don't be silly, I'm like Jordan B. Peterson, tough as bold boots.

"have you ever heard this cum town bit? it's ableist and crass etc but" hard pass forever, Christ the Chapoization of left discourse is the absolute worst

Lol

i'm not sure that anti-intellectualism (i have the urge to quote mark a bunch of these words but it'd be too much) is a growing phenomenon - given the muddying in the public mind between intellectual/academic/technocrat/politician/certain class shibboleths - but that what's changing is partly the access of anti-intellectual opinions to mass media like the internet and partly an increasing willingness on the part of former authoritarian gatekeepers - like the BBC for example - to allow, even encourage, anti-intellectual opinions coverage

LOL bold boots.

just for the record what this fuckin guy on the cumtown extract above says this:

Autistic is a little less 'bad' or -- debilitating, whatever, as regular -- medical retardation [collapses laughing]

he spends the rest of the extract being generally hateful about autistic people

launch the entire Chapo-related enterprise into the fucking sun

Ta-nehisi Coates wrote a good thing about 'anti-elitism':

But racism occupies a mostly passive place in Packer’s essay. There’s no attempt to understand why black and brown workers, victimized by the same new economy and cosmopolitan elite that Packer lambastes, did not join the Trump revolution. Like Kristof, Packer is gentle with his subjects. When a woman “exploded” and told Packer, “I want to eat what I want to eat, and for them to tell me I can’t eat French fries or Coca-Cola—no way,” he sees this as a rebellion against “the moral superiority of elites.” In fact, this elite conspiracy dates back to 1894, when the government first began advising Americans on their diets. As recently as 2002, President George W. Bush launched the HealthierUS initiative, urging Americans to exercise and eat healthy food. But Packer never allows himself to wonder whether the explosion he witnessed had anything to do with the fact that similar advice now came from the country’s first black first lady. Packer concludes that Obama was leaving the country “more divided and angrier than most Americans can remember,” a statement that is likely true only because most Americans identify as white. Certainly the men and women forced to live in the wake of the beating of John Lewis, the lynching of Emmett Till, the firebombing of Percy Julian’s home, and the assassinations of Martin Luther King Jr. and Medgar Evers would disagree.

Joan Crawford Loves Chachi totally otm. It doesn't seem that long ago a seasoned ilxer was saying Retard is permissible again because those fucking Chapo dickheads are throwing it about with gay abandon, so it must be ok.

Aren’t his supporters all like, underemployed, underachieving men who need someone to tell them to “get their shit together”?

you don't want to grant that these guys are underemployed and underachieving unless you think more ppl who reflect the demographics of JP's fanbase should hold positions of power

Joan Crawford Loves Chachi totally otm. It doesn't seem that long ago a seasoned ilxer was saying Retard is permissible again because those fucking Chapo dickheads are throwing it about with gay abandon, so it must be ok.

fyi only c*m town does this and ppl conflating the two really bugs me

but uh we have a thread for that I guess

to quote on of Ilx's finest "I don't know if the mods got the memo, but Chapo Trap House is making it ok for liberals to say retarded again"

*one of*

_Joan Crawford Loves Chachi totally otm. It doesn't seem that long ago a seasoned ilxer was saying Retard is permissible again because those fucking Chapo dickheads are throwing it about with gay abandon, so it must be ok._


fyi only c*m town does this and ppl conflating the two really bugs me

I know this seriously nailz roofer from Seacroft with a daughter with DS. Would love to see these brave lads chucking about hateful words like that in front of him!

will pay top dollar for ringside seats

I don't really care enough / have the spare energy to clear up the conflations going on itt but I would gently urge us to focus on how dumb, bad and evil JBP is

fyi only c*m town does this and ppl conflating the two really bugs me

no, that's not true. the chapo guys do it all the time; I wish them all immense pain and suffering, they are complete assholes.

http://souciant.com/2017/07/the-chapo-dilemma/

at least when you click on a thread that is purposely for ridiculing a complete arsehole rather than celebrating a collective of them, you don't need to have your mouse medically sterilized.

the reek of shit that comes off those guys, I'd even watch Fox News on a recurring loop over listening to them.

JCLC, I suspect someone/someones close to them must have approached them about that line of humor because it's all but disappeared from both the show and their social media, beyond a few instances of self-deprecation

sadlol

sorry calz I ought to have content-warning'd that shit. but that's exactly what I was thinking - Jordan Peterson is a stupid asshole; if I attend to him and expect anything other than the farts that proceed from a stupid asshole, shame on me. the chapo guys & their "listen to cumtown, it's really good!" brethren are considerably more malevolent as they think their Marxist bona fides mean they get a pass for using "autistic" as a punchline, and people are happy to explain to you why they deserve a pass because they have generally good politics. may they reflect with horror on their generally good politics be a comfort to them when they realize one morning what fucking beasts they've been to people whose daily lives contain more struggle & dignity than any one of them would be capable of contemplating.

last sentence a clumsy edit but the point is if the chapo guys & jordan peterson were getting onto a bus and I knew beyond a doubt that it was going to crash, I would make no effort to alert a one of them

lol love to imagine elaborate death fantasies for the podcast hosts i dislike. this is like those pink-faced weirdos who wind themselves up imagining what they would do if someone ever hurt their kid.

well, except that you'd have to have one of those pink-faced weirdos whose child, or brother, or parent was actually actively being insulted constantly -- specifically because of his or her disability, specifically riffing on that disability -- then fanboys telling him to lighten up, everybody knows they don't mean anything bad, lol it's just some guys making fun of autism what's the big deal

they should eat shit for breakfast, lunch & dinner, and then Jordan Peterson can have the leftovers

FINAL DESTINATION 12
[INT-gym]
The bearded podcast host is shuffling off the subway car, juggling his phone, giant oversized book advance cheque, and luchpail from his workday at the racism factory, when his headphone cord gets stuck in the door. Panicking as the doors close, he tears the cord out of the aux port on his phone, only to slip on a discarded leaflet and fall onto the third rail.

all power to the broletariat

kinda on JCLC's side here, I do not get the Cult of Chapo around here

Mocking intellectually disabled people is for sure evil.

I can absolutely understand JCLC's antipathy but I would argue that despite their past misdeeds, the podcast people who have funnelled more than a few young people into an organization that fights tooth and nail across the US for all the things we like (unfettered access to abortion, medicare for all, etc.) are, on balance, not as bad as the guy who thinks trans people don't exist (and a million other bad things he says openly on a regular basis and with see). but that's just one bro's opinion

I think they’re both bad. iirc amber doesn’t say offensive things and i’ve enjoyed some of her writing at the baffled so she is better

*baffler

lmao she's by far the most problematic one!

a thread that is purposely for ridiculing a complete arsehole

Admittedly, this was my original intention but, at this point, I do think we could stand to be a little more generous (e.g. less sarcastic/dismissive in our disagreement) to someone such as nicky who would like to disagree with most of us here and defend Peterson.

I did try.to figure out just what he liked about JBP, but it seemed to be pretty surface level stuff?

Oh shit, really? What did she say? I thought she was the one that wasn’t a comedian.

Sometimes I have opinions without having all the facts

yeahhh amber is legit the 'worst' chapo, her petty shit-talking led to major intra-org problems with the DSA's Disability Working Group as she has consistently worked to undermine people from the DWG who had legitimate concerns with the DSA's focus as 'wreckers' who are all mentally ill.

yeah admittedly that whole thing was a mess on all sides but hoo boy did she not handle that well, I'm glad she's no longer a major organizer

Ideological purity will be the death of us all.

I've never listened to Chapo nor care to, really, but if they've made amends, that's a commendable gesture in and of itself. Likewise, dissecting JP's core audience in order to figure out what makes him so magnetic does not mean you're giving brodudes a free pass (reminds me of then-French PM Manuel Valls belittling sociologists after the Paris attacks: 'to explain is to justify'.)

it would be generous to say they've made amends, but they've definitely discarded the most cringeworthy of their edgelord tendencies (except for the drug references)

It does suggest that the anti-intellectualism that exists on the right is related to some kind of sour grapes, that they really want and feel they should have more scholarly respect and credence than they do.

Yeah, it's the same thing with being anti-Hollywood. Whenever a "celebrity" is on their team, they fawn over him/her.

the chapo guys & their "listen to cumtown, it's really good!" brethren are considerably more malevolent as they think their Marxist bona fides mean they get a pass for using "autistic" as a punchline, and people are happy to explain to you why they deserve a pass because they have generally good politics. may they reflect with horror on their generally good politics be a comfort to them when they realize one morning what fucking beasts they've been to people whose daily lives contain more struggle & dignity than any one of them would be capable of contemplating.

― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, November 5, 2018 8:08 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's also just so tiresome, there's this need to engage in cruelty to show how you'll "go there" and it's a badge of fearlessness or something like that. Like Vice Magazine back in the early days (now their badge of honor is to travel to "dangerous places".) Anyway the people who bear the brunt of cruelty w/Vice and w/this kind of thing are always the same people who have always borne the brunt.

Which suggests they have a kind of inferiority complex with regard to like, prestige cultural institutions. They resent this stuff but they crave validation from these same sources.