The Jordan Peterson Thread

anyway "pick only one food to survive on" would be a fun poll

he really will get scurvy if he eat meat and absolutely nothing else. he reaaallly does not want scurvy.

Eggs

bananas, esp if this includes savoury bananas

Rainwater and pure grain alcohol

Mosquitoes

Professor-Doctor Jordan B Peterson's introduction to The Gulag Archipelago is up on (of course) Quillette, if you want to claw your own eyes out. I imagine @PenguinBooks will end this month a little bit richer and a lot more ashamed than they were last month pic.twitter.com/rx9Q9tHsHi

— PDK Mitchell (@pdkmitchell) November 2, 2018

The Sun does have much better reproductive opportunities than poor planet Earth

http://imgur.com/Qvtiqytl.png

everything is unequal therefore that is how it should be; only the west is unequal because others have no wealth; adam smith's invisible hand is a judeo-christian tradition

I like this guy. I don't agree with everything he says, but he gets me to think about some esoteric shit.
He's like a well read stoner who's always like, "what about this..."

I don't think he makes himself out to be a know-it-all. He's always saying "I don't know... I think it might be this..."

what do you agree with

Considering the quality of your life, for one.

it's true, no one else in human history has encouraged us to contemplate the mysteries

Wow I bet all the other self help grifters are kicking themselves for not coming up with that one

I love that he suggests that it's to be expected to have some anxiety and fear and that life can be hard, and that one might want to be more aggressive and in the driver's seat to get by better.

Unlike self help grifters, I don't think he pushes a method.

I love that he suggests that it's to be expected to have some anxiety and fear and that life can be hard, and that one might want to be more aggressive and in the driver's seat to get by better.

― nicky lo-fi, Saturday, November 3, 2018 10:23 AM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is a thoroughly banal observation, though, and available to you from countless other sources that aren't misogynists, transphobes, and dietary weirdos

Bullshit, except maybe the diet stuff.

I look around at the world today and think yanno what's missing? needs to be more people being aggressive

nicky, this is not gonna go where you want this to go

What the world needs are more quick self-rightous judgements, and opinions.

i think the tweet from ilx's max was a good peterson obv--that he appeals to people who were deprived of having a good humanities education. peterson makes connections between the big questions of history and religion and the things that people grapple with in their own lives. this should be familiar to most people but it's not always because our education system tends toward specialization. so some of peterson's fans might not realize that there are other, better intellectuals to read who have addressed this subjects in more satisfying, less prejudiced ways

*peterson observation

i think jp sucks and is a charlatan but he is filling a certain lack that exists in our society

just like McDonald's does

exactly. it's fast food humanities and--surprise surprise--like mcdonald's it contains the ingredients that are killing people, namely a right wing political ideology that posits inequality as fixed nature

Can I have one example of him saying

Inequality is of a fixed nature?

Professor-Doctor Jordan B Peterson's introduction to The Gulag Archipelago is up on (of course) Quillette, if you want to claw your own eyes out. I imagine @PenguinBooks will end this month a little bit richer and a lot more ashamed than they were last month pic.twitter.com/rx9Q9tHsHi

— PDK Mitchell (@pdkmitchell) November 2, 2018

that's the lobster thing. he sometimes pays lip service to the idea that societies should try to ameliorate inequality, but if pressed he'll be like, "we should go no further than ensuring equality of opportunity." anything beyond this, he says, is an effort toward "equity" which leads to the gulags.

He says inequality is a problem and it is a consequence, not a fixed reality.

I want to know what is everyone willing to give up today, so that others will have more?

Inequality is the iron rule

How is this not saying that inequality is a fixed reality?

Idk if you're looking for an answer to your last question. Lots of people give up things so that others will have more, via gifts, charity, taxes, etc.

lo-fi lighting

The iron rule is the desire to make better and better for one's self.

So, again, who here is not greedy?

nicky, he says in that passage the path to reducing inequality is what he calls the "judeo-christian" effort to insist on the "ultimate responsibility of the individual." so collective action is out even though collective projects like the civil rights movement, the trade union movement, feminism, the gay rights movement, etc. are the only things that have had an actual positive impact on society. also, these movements found plenty of support from their own readings of the "judeo christian tradition" -- he's trying to claim it for the right. this is not a stoner who is just poking around at questions and looking into things in a new way. it's a right wing argument and it's as old as the hills.

Yeah, I mean, going further, the system he is attacking is one that was absolutely developed in the West. It is also just not true that non-Western societies were unable to create socioeconomic systems that could produce "a modicum of wealth" prior to Western influence.

good to know only the West has ever produced any wealth, that sounds very correct

xp lol

writing is such a bad medium for him, all his tendentious bullshit can be easily taken apart and analyzed. nobody has time to do that with a 2 hour youtube

sund4r otm. his whole thing is completely ahistorical and shockingly ethnocentric.

I might be too cynical; I admit.

I think if you gave 100 people sudden wealth, 99 of them turn into the people that they just recently resented.

wealth itself is a relatively modern concept if you take the really long view, as peterson gestures toward

that's probably why some planets have more mass than others xp

I think if you gave 100 people sudden wealth, 99 of them turn into the people that they just recently resented.

Very possibly true; this could also work as an argument in favour of collective structures to reduce inequality of wealth. xp

anyone read this thinly reasoned piece of philo-semitism?

https://jordanbpeterson.com/psychology/on-the-so-called-jewish-question/

nicky many people have written many good things on what is wrong with jordan peterson, you should read some of them and get back to us.

no i will never read that

xp

(don't read the comments, yeesh)