Things you were shockingly old when you learned

https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/cute-small-pomeranian-dog-peeing-park-urinating-105437652.jpg

Also, mispronounced in English...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pompey

I was all set to finally add “why Portsmouth has that inexplicably annoying nickname Pompey" to this thread and then I found out no one really knows. The first explanation here sounds totally fucking made-up though:

https://www.theguardian.com/notesandqueries/query/0,5753,-2010,00.html

"Jacob" is the latin cognate of the name "James." I was trying to figure out why it was Jacobean Era, when James was the guy. I knew in Spanish it's Jaime, or Diego related to Iago? So I feel like I was so close for so long, but somehow failed thrive in onomastics.

That Windsor Safari Park doesn't exist any more and Legoland is in the same place.

Beth Gibbons also worked with Paul Webb on the first O-Rang album, which came out before (or perhaps just after) Dummy.

& O-rang were Talk Talk minus Mark Hollis or something similar.

Apart from the unofficial fourth member (IE producer and co-writer) of Talk Talk, Tim Friese-Greene, who went on to record as... Heligoland!

I'm not a car person so maybe i just never really thought about it before but... car tyres don't have inner tubes!

The complexity of getting tubeless bike tires to work at all, and keep em orderly long term, has increased my respect immensely. To amazement really. They just basically work all the fucking time and keep going and holy fuck what a great way to wreck a planet.

xp they used to! Up until the 50s, I think.

i'm obviously turning into more of an old-timer than i thought

xp ha hunt3r, no sealant in them either - really fucking weird imo

Haha, this is something I struggled to wrap my head around this, coming from a family of bike enthusiasts.

I did not know that about Windsor safari park

i jokingly refer to typical non-UST tubeless bike tires as "incredibly flat resistant. also, incredibly inflation resistant," though with a compressor, not too bad. (i've never used UST so i don't know its inflation profile).

there are people who are from a major north american city who don't know how to pronounce guillermo (as in del toro)

THings I must have mainly heard in hindsight but have just heard over the last week what the starting points were.
Hilary Clinton's 3 million majority apparently didn't emerge until the vote was fully counted a while after the election was declared. Steve Kornackie was comparing a potential outcome fo Tuesday to it. California being so close that every vote gets counted afterwards with full tally only being announced in December.

Also Colin Kaepernick first doing his protest in August 2016, way before the last election. Not sure what I was reading a few days ago that had that come out. I think I was first aware of it when trump was making a big deal of things last year.

there are people who are from a major north american city who don't know how to pronounce guillermo (as in del toro)

Hispanic culture isn't equally prevalent everywhere in NA.

Not to mention pronunciation fluctuates depending on the variety of Spanish.

Not sure how/why you would pronounce it gwai-lermo, no spanish speaker pronounces it like that

That's generally an honest mistake but then again no one pronounces my first name properly and I don't expect them to either because we can't know everything about foreign cultures. I only take issue with those who don't give a fuck when I tell them the correct pronunciation, which doesn't happen very often. Likewise, I don't think most North Americans choose to gleefully mispronounce 'Guillermo'.

Context matters too. If you're an anglophone living in Montreal and you don't make the slightest effort to correctly pronounce francophone names, you're being a dick. Outside of French-speaking areas, though, there's no sense in getting bent out of shape over it, it's not necessarily Quebec bashing (although it can be).

Likewise, if you're not Hispanic but live next to a sizeable Hispanic community in the US and couldn't care less about how 'those people' pronounce their names, you're a piece of shit. But history isn't the same everywhere.

The only reason I (think I) know how to pronounce Gullermo correctly is because of broadcast journalists who I trust pronouncing it in reference to Del Toro.

Yeah this is in reference to guillermo del toro


I’m talking about Vancouver and right now spanish and latin american culture is blowing up here

You hear latin music being played in a lot of restaurants, tons of latinos coming, many specifically mexican restaurants popping up and people just move mexican food here (tacos and mostly tex-mex but whatevs)

this guy i was referring to is my coworker and he is obsessed with movies

He’s a great guy but for some reason he chooses to mispronounce every single latin name, same with joaquin phoenix’s name, granted that one is a bit harder

I don’t correct him but i say their names correctly and hope he is actively listening and follows through

I think i got him to say joaquin right, and he says javier bardem’s name right

he usually butchers all non english names but that gwailermo kinda shocked me though

Maybe he just reads about movies and watches them rather than hearing podcasts etc. Or maybe he's just a dick, I dunno.

Sounds like he's trying, at least (I hope). And I guess the 'w' is tempting when you're an English speaker, since Guillermo is the equivalent of William. The Argentinian pronunciation is amazing, though (Ghee-sher-mo).

xp

Mispronunciation of names of celeb-artists outside one’s personal language group is sometimes surprising, possibly annoying, and also i’d say unreliable as an indicator of personal merit, social appropriate-ness, or critical expertise. It might also say something about the unreliability of interlingual transliteration.

Fwiw i go with “gee YARE mo” as an approximation, what should i do?

Esperanto now.

im thinking more to the original story- to what extent do you understand your contacts mispronunciation to be intentional? or more like, negligent?

I've heard it three ways:

Gee-yare-mo (how my grandfather's name was pronounced)
Gee-jare-mo (how it's pronounced where I live)
Gee-share-mo (the aforementioned Argentinian pronunciation)

gull-erm-o

Gee whiz

I'd always though that the phrase 'basket case' came from the idea that patients at insane asylums spent their time weaving baskets, but apparently

The term originated from WWI, indicating a soldier missing both his arms and legs, who needed to be literally carried around in a litter or "basket."

it's right there in the movie

i think i had the same confusion thanks to "they're coming to take me away, ha-ha," and had it corrected by an anecdote told by a mournful ringo somewhere in the beatles anthology documentary.

im thinking more to the original story- to what extent do you understand your contacts mispronunciation to be intentional? or more like, negligent?

― Hunt3r, Sunday, November 4, 2018 9:00 AM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

again i don't think it's intentional -- possibly negligent/laziness

i guess my reasoning is i'm not even a native spanish speaker and i can get this silly thing right, not sure why someone who is obsessed with watching all types of movies can't get guillermo (del toro's name) right

i've never heard anyone else pronounce it gwai-lermo

aside from that, he's a cool dude

this discussion turned out to be a much bigger deal than i had meant it to be tbh

pronunciation is such a cool thing. it is a skill. it is a preference. it is a byproduct of education. it is a physiological capability. it is the result social preference. it is a pose. i'm not sure if it is inherent or intentional.

i'm sure some of those are redundant if not very overlapping. still, when observing non-standard pronunciation, it is natural to ask "what am i seeing" for sure.

pronunciation is such a cool thing. it is a skill. it is a preference. it is a byproduct of education. it is a physiological capability. it is the result social preference. it is a pose. i'm not sure if it is inherent or intentional.

Gee-yare-mo (how my grandfather's name was pronounced)
Gee-jare-mo (how it's pronounced where I live)
Gee-share-mo (the aforementioned Argentinian pronunciation)

wrong

xp
The first seems more in line with Mexican Spanish to me.

it's more complex than that. argentina they pronounce "ll" as the s in measure.

then as to whether the ll is pronounced as a palatal lateral approximate or palatal approximant or affricate - i.e. the same as "Y" see here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ye%C3%ADsmo

so in mexico guillermo is generally pronounced GEE YER MO

guillermo reet up ye ya bas

Gee YAIR mo (rather than yer, I think)

hard "G" too, btw

I'm gonna start calling him Jiller-moe til somebody slaps me

so yeah in theory spanish differentiates between ll, y, and i, and depending on the country the differences are more pronounced

in mexico and a few other countries, i've noticed spoken spanish makes little distinction between ll and y, especially if spoken fast, whereas a word with ll or y pronounced individually yields the proper pronunciation

i remember taking a spanish linguistics class and the prof going around having native spanish speakers pronounce specific words, and even among people from the same country, there were slight differences

anyway, this is way too specific, any of the pronunciations mentioned above would be cool with me, but gwai, gwai? WHY dawg?

actually when he first said that i thought of 鬼佬 and laughed a little internally

THat is the Japanese(?) word for western outsider innit?