Is this anti-semitism?

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no police presence whatsoever which surprised me. they have an armed guard on high holidays. maybe it was too short notice.

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Monday, 29 October 2018 03:28 (seven years ago)

one of the things you sometimes hear from folks around here, both left and right and whatever else, is that Jews are "fine" or "OK." as in, "Israel is a real problem, but Jews are fine." "you guys are OK, it's really the...." this sense that we are "fine" as in "tolerated, for now" connects for me with the overwhelmingly christian religiosity of the folks around here. they know that anti-semitism is bad, and/or tacky, but deep down they believe we're going to hell and would be better off converting to christianity. it's just their main priority right now.

i'm trying hard not to be paranoid.

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Monday, 29 October 2018 22:47 (seven years ago)

*it's just NOT their main priority right now.

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Monday, 29 October 2018 22:47 (seven years ago)

Nice story from our temple:

Following the last few dark days, there was a bit of light in the office yesterday: a woman came into the office carrying a bunch of yellow carnations. They symbolize hope, she said.
She is from Peru, is not Jewish, but felt she had to express both her horror at what happened and support for American Jews. She went on to explain, as her tears fell, that she has lived in the US for 18 years, finally has her green card, and is hoping for citizenship in another five. After many hugs and wishes for an easy path to citizenship, she left, and I felt incredibly grateful for that brief, touching encounter.

Not anti-semitism.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 November 2018 11:52 (seven years ago)

yesterday in north wales, pa a friend of friends' car was spraypainted with a swastika. today during his lunch break someone wrote 'Jew' on a coworker's car. this was today in: wtf is happening this is all too close to home.

Mordy, Thursday, 1 November 2018 19:04 (seven years ago)

definitely anti semitism

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 November 2018 19:07 (seven years ago)

Ugh. I thought, that doesn't sound like North Wales? Then I realized it was Pennslyvania. In the US, where Jews feel safe.

Alma Kirby (Tom D.), Thursday, 1 November 2018 19:11 (seven years ago)

goddammit

https://pitchfork.com/news/ilana-glazer-event-canceled-due-to-anti-semitic-graffiti/

Οὖτις, Friday, 2 November 2018 15:44 (seven years ago)

my synagogue has announced that doors will now be locked during shabbat service, i get why they're doing it and i would guess some members of my shul want it, but i don't like it. it feels like giving in to the idea that we should accept this as OUR problem which requires US to change what we do.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 2 November 2018 15:50 (seven years ago)

when they fuck with ilana glazer that is too fucking far

Mordy, Friday, 2 November 2018 15:51 (seven years ago)

kinda w eephus, my instinct is not to be defensive but to carry on unbowed

Οὖτις, Friday, 2 November 2018 15:54 (seven years ago)

our synagogue (and the other one we sometimes attend) has had an armed guard stationed at the entrance for a few years now

Mordy, Friday, 2 November 2018 15:56 (seven years ago)

that's different

Οὖτις, Friday, 2 November 2018 15:56 (seven years ago)

are they locking the door in addition to having a guard or as a replacement? how are people going to get in who come late?

Mordy, Friday, 2 November 2018 15:57 (seven years ago)

^^^srsly

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Friday, 2 November 2018 18:23 (seven years ago)

wouldn't join any shul whose services started on time

Freda VanFleet (symsymsym), Friday, 2 November 2018 18:43 (seven years ago)

Ugh. I thought, that doesn't sound like North Wales?

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/man-golliwog-hanging-noose-window-14596570

No, they're just racists.

Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Friday, 2 November 2018 21:05 (seven years ago)

the welsh are amongst the most racist races

ogmor, Friday, 2 November 2018 21:08 (seven years ago)

it might be worth noting in M MacMillan's Versailles treaty book that the Welsh "grand wizard" DLG is repeatedly on the transcript as casually dropping the n bomb and comes across as much more racist than Clemenceau or Wilson.

calzino, Friday, 2 November 2018 21:44 (seven years ago)

Fatherland of My Fathers

the Warnock of Clodhop Mountain (Noodle Vague), Friday, 2 November 2018 22:11 (seven years ago)

are they locking the door in addition to having a guard or as a replacement? how are people going to get in who come late?

No guard (though we've always had one at high holidays), a congregant will be assigned to man the door and let latecomers in (like me)

Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 3 November 2018 01:11 (seven years ago)

otm, they gross me out

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 18:59 (seven years ago)

as do these gross ads obviously

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 18:59 (seven years ago)

well I guess I have to talk w my kid about the Pittsburgh shooting, since it looks like they are going to bring it up at hebrew school tomorrow

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 19:00 (seven years ago)

Unless they can start showing a lot of non-Jewish dems attacked with the same imagery, I'll draw my conclusions. Also, GOP tends to go after other ethnicities with, um, other kinds of ads https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/12/nrcc-faces-backlash-over-attack-ad-against-democratic-candidate-former-rapper-antonio-delgado/?utm_term=.4cc0a7fbd5b4

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 19:04 (seven years ago)

Sounds like the policy at our temple, at least for the immediate time being, is to lock the doors pretty much at all times, with someone stationed by them to let people in and out. But I think they're looking into finding some sort of balanced security policy going forward, devised in conjunction with JUF, Homeland Security, ADL, and local police.

Apparently a couple of instances of hate crime graffiti at our local high school. N-word, backwards swastika, etc.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 20:10 (seven years ago)

OK, would love our opinion on this. My daughter just came home from high school, where they had an emergency assembly on a second incident of racist and anti-Semitic graffiti, probably the same asshole. N-word stuff, a swastika, gas the Jews. But she said the assembly was all about the racism and didn't mention the anti-semitism, which really bothered her. As she said, a lot of the student speakers were black and they thanked the white kids that stood with them in solidarity, but she thought to herself, wait a minute, I'm white but I'm also Jewish, and no one is speaking sympathetically to me or forcefully for me. She had also observed last week to me that when there is a mass shooting everyone at school talks about it, but when there was a mass shooting that targeted Jews no one said anything. Jews are such a small percentage of the student body that they're practically invisible and apparently not taken into consideration as a persecuted minority. I told her to put down her thoughts into a letter to send to the school, and also to bring these issues up at the next meeting of her Jewish student union (aka Jew Club).

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 21:53 (seven years ago)

white supremacists/Nazis do not consider Jews "white" and sometimes other non-white people need to be reminded of this.

I think your course of action is the correct one

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 6 November 2018 22:04 (seven years ago)

My first thought was that I'd probably write a letter as a concerned parent, but I think it's even more powerful coming from her.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 22:10 (seven years ago)

Principal and cc school board imo

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Tuesday, 6 November 2018 22:15 (seven years ago)

two months pass...

i was pretty shocked to see the numbers here particularly re millennials https://www.newsweek.com/one-third-americans-dont-believe-6-million-jews-were-murdered-during-holocaust-883513

(not asking if it's anti-semitic)

Mordy, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 21:47 (seven years ago)

"Almost half (45 percent) of Americans were unable to name a single concentration camp, and the number was even worse for millennials (49 percent). Two-thirds (66 percent) of millennials were unable to explain what Auschwitz was."

Mordy, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 21:47 (seven years ago)

Isn’t Newsweek basically a newsletter for some Dominionist psycho at this point?

Norm’s Superego (silby), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 21:48 (seven years ago)

According to a study from last year, 20% of French people aged 18-34 have never heard of the holocaust. That said, wording might be a factor (were they asked about the holocaust or the Shoah? the latter term is generally preferred in France).

pomenitul, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 21:52 (seven years ago)

i probably shouldn't be so surprised i've watched those those late night host makes fun of dumb americans by asking them questions clips

Mordy, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 21:56 (seven years ago)

i saw this one where they asked ppl to name and point to a country on a map of the world and they couldn't even name the united states

Mordy, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 21:56 (seven years ago)

That happens everywhere tbh.

Wee boats wobble but they don't fall down (Tom D.), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 21:58 (seven years ago)

12% of Austrians aged 18-34 are also apparently unaware that it ever happened... I'm not trying to exonerate Americans but it seems like a generational trend.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 21:58 (seven years ago)

yeah, so maybe it should be glass half full - 1/3rd of millennials know what auschwitz was

Mordy, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 21:59 (seven years ago)

I find that profoundly depressing.

The Diary of Anne Frank should be a set text in every grade school in America (it was in mine).

suzy, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 22:17 (seven years ago)

we read Anne Frank and Exodus, discussed the holocaust at length and watched Shoah in my 10th grade English class (1985-86, St Paul MN)

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 22:23 (seven years ago)

It's possible that the range of options is partly influencing the responses in this case. If you don't know the answer, you might guess somewhere in the middle.

"Approximately how many Jews were killed during the Holocaust?"

20 million
6 million
2 million
1 million
100,000
25,000
Other
Not sure

jmm, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 22:26 (seven years ago)

I think post-Anschluss Austria was a much deadlier part of the reich for Jews than Germany from books I've read. And like in Germany, plenty of their worst genocidal scum got away with it scot free and became the fabric of the new postwar establishment.

calzino, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 22:26 (seven years ago)

the most dangerous parts of europe were parts entirely outside the german legal system (snyder's bloodlands is about this), places like poland and ukraine

Mordy, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 22:32 (seven years ago)

in occupied countries there were sometimes level of resistance to the liquidation agenda and within germany and austria there were still german laws that excised a sort of restraint. that's why all the death camps are in poland and babi yar in ukraine -- they were state free zones where anything would go

Mordy, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 22:33 (seven years ago)

oh yeah it wasn't like the mass bloodletting of the wild east where full capacity stadium levels of death on daily basis was the norm. But i can recall reading that as a percentage of population a lot more Austrian Jews were murdered than German and arguably Austrian antisemitism was much more deeply entrenched than in Germany- as ridic as that sounds. But I'm just commenting on what other commentators have said here ftr.

calzino, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 22:43 (seven years ago)

i've read that romania was so violently antisemitic they even shocked the germans who came to supervise

Mordy, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 22:44 (seven years ago)

arendt: "In Rumania even the S.S. were taken aback, and occasionally frightened, by the horrors of oldfashioned, spontaneous pogroms on a gigantic scale; they often intervened to save Jews from sheer butchery, so that the killing could be done in what, according to them, was a civilized way."

Mordy, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 22:45 (seven years ago)

This seems like a better question as far as gauging denialist sentiment:

Which of the following statements comes closest to your views about the Holocaust in Europe during World War Two?

The Holocaust happened, and the number of Jews who died in it have been fairly described 83% 65%
The Holocaust happened, but the number of Jews who died in it has been greatly exaggerated 9% 11%
The Holocaust is a myth and did not happen 1% 1%
Not sure 7% 23%

i.e. 11% of millennials think the numbers have been greatly exaggerated.

jmm, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 22:45 (seven years ago)


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