Thank you for writing it.
― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Sunday, 28 October 2018 18:22 (five years ago) link
yes, thank you.
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Sunday, 28 October 2018 18:23 (five years ago) link
Thanks for the analysis, epigone.
― pomenitul, Sunday, 28 October 2018 18:30 (five years ago) link
excellent.
― Ludo, Sunday, 28 October 2018 18:31 (five years ago) link
Yes excellent - although I don't know if that explains Lula and Dilma. I was just recommending Bunuel's El to a friend yesterday when talking about all of this - which gets that masculine Latin American culture just right.
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 28 October 2018 18:55 (five years ago) link
thanks, epigone.
results coming in 2-3 hours, i guess? god, some good news would be nice today.
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 28 October 2018 19:34 (five years ago) link
Since Bolsonaro has openly stated that if he loses in the second round it's voter fraud, I'm worried that even if we get lucky and the fucker doesn't win the fall-out from this will be bloody.
― Daniel_Rf, Sunday, 28 October 2018 20:07 (five years ago) link
More than 20 Brazilian universities were invaded by the military police in the past 2 days. They confiscated material on the history of fascism, interrupted classes due to 'ideological content', removed anti-fascist banners and posters claiming that it was electoral propaganda. https://t.co/T0KyOhe2Yv— Rodrigo Castriota (@castriotar) October 26, 2018
fucking hell.
― calzino, Sunday, 28 October 2018 21:48 (five years ago) link
christ, the election was not even close. 55/45 or 56/44.
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Sunday, 28 October 2018 22:21 (five years ago) link
stay safe our friends in Brasil.
― affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Sunday, 28 October 2018 22:22 (five years ago) link
Christ this is depressing.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 28 October 2018 22:44 (five years ago) link
not surprising at all, but very depressing.
― calzino, Sunday, 28 October 2018 22:56 (five years ago) link
The Nordeste came correct - around 70% for Haddad almost across the board - but it wasn't enough.
I'm reading posts by Brazilian friends on my timeline and tearing up, what a shitty fucking time.
― Daniel_Rf, Sunday, 28 October 2018 23:02 (five years ago) link
Oh, man.
― Groove(box) Denied (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 28 October 2018 23:02 (five years ago) link
fucking hell
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Sunday, 28 October 2018 23:23 (five years ago) link
this will be one of the better assassinations
― imago, Sunday, 28 October 2018 23:52 (five years ago) link
Ben Fogel interview on Chapo is also a good history lesson on all of this. Nb it’s just a straight interview by amber without the others present so if you don’t normally enjoy the show this one is still easy to listen to.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Monday, 29 October 2018 00:38 (five years ago) link
my landlords run an NGO for street kids in Brazil (where they current live, and how I'm able to live in their house) -- I hope they're going to be ok, some of his comments about "NGOs" (which seems to be a catch-all term for...progressives?) are pretty chilling
― gbx, Monday, 29 October 2018 02:03 (five years ago) link
this is one of the most frightening angles imho
Brazil has been a world leader in climate change mitigation but this is about to change. Fascism is an immediate threat to nature. Bolsonaro wants to cut down protection of the Amazon rainforest- the lungs of the planet and the most biodiverse place in the world.— tina⚔️ (@babyvietcong) October 29, 2018
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Monday, 29 October 2018 02:45 (five years ago) link
Looks like we’ll broach the era of geoengineering “solutions” even more quickly than I thought.
― Karl Malone, Monday, 29 October 2018 02:49 (five years ago) link
Bolsonaro is not the "Brazilian Trump". He also has little in common with European right-populists.Bolsonaro will curb democracy like Putin & Erdogan and unleash the violence of Duterte.But he is still worse than all of these. Here's why:https://t.co/CFh6TzcjAw— Alex Hochuli (@Alex__1789) October 28, 2018
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 29 October 2018 04:14 (five years ago) link
Militant activities (think of the FARC in Colombia or Maoist squads in parts of India) will have to be organised. It's pretty much the only thing left. No time to fuck about with a rigged democracy.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 29 October 2018 09:35 (five years ago) link
Brazilian singer Caetano Veloso who was once jailed by the then military government and later put into exile, wrote an op-ed for the NY Times before the election entitled "Dark Times Are Coming for my Country"
https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/8481690/caetano-veloso-new-york-times-op-ed
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/24/opinion/caetano-veloso-brazil-bolsonaro.html
― curmudgeon, Monday, 29 October 2018 14:04 (five years ago) link
I've followed this pretty casually, but why would a country that was ruled by a military dictatorship for decades democratically elect by a large margin someone who even hinted at a return to that era? Is it mostly an extreme reaction to "corruption" (which, to be fair, was afaict itself pretty extreme in Brazil)?
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 29 October 2018 14:47 (five years ago) link
Sometimes I think that the American political system is even more corrupt than what was going on in Brazil -- we've basically legalized the scheme of corporate campaign contributions and kickbacks that they had to do illicitly.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Monday, 29 October 2018 14:53 (five years ago) link
Sometimes I wonder if our problem isn't corruption so much as being supremely wasteful and inefficient.
Isn't a hunk of Brazil's previous administration literally in jail right now?
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 29 October 2018 15:13 (five years ago) link
― xyzzzz__, Monday, October 29, 2018 4:35 AM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Brazilians have much more experience with this than Americans do. Only recently the country was led by an ex-guerilla fighter against the prior military dictatorship.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Monday, 29 October 2018 15:25 (five years ago) link
C. Veloso in NY Times: The major news outlets have tended to minimize the dangers, working in fact for Mr. Bolsonaro by describing the situation as a confrontation between two extremes: the Workers’ Party potentially leading us to a Communist authoritarian regime, while Mr. Bolsonaro would fight corruption and make the economy market friendly
― curmudgeon, Monday, 29 October 2018 15:38 (five years ago) link
I haven't seen it discussed a lot but I'm guessing the collapse of Venezuela, their neighbor, played a role in all of this?
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Monday, 29 October 2018 15:42 (five years ago) link
brazilian urban guerrillas were very small, ineffective and easily crushed. the mid-late 20th century has shown it to be an extremely bad tactic. even in countries where the radical leftist movements were substantial and guerrilla cells had thousands of members, like in argentina and chile, they didnt accomplish much and were brutally murdered/disappeared. people thought it would work because guerrillas were a success in cuba, but that only happened due to contingent reasons and their success wasnt replicated anywhere else in latin america.
― epigone, Monday, 29 October 2018 15:51 (five years ago) link
yes there is a lot of hysteria about !!!bolivarian communists!!!
― epigone, Monday, 29 October 2018 15:52 (five years ago) link
I understand that except the left can't go anywhere except exile...or the Amazon.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 29 October 2018 15:56 (five years ago) link
Racist, sexist and homophobic or a refreshing break from political correctness? Jair #Bolsonaro's history of controversial statements. #BrazilElection https://t.co/yX0JP2GUG0— BBC Monitoring (@BBCMonitoring) October 26, 2018
"essential media insight" from the classy BBC, who think talking up torture and death squads might be a "refreshing change" from that PC gone madness.
― calzino, Monday, 29 October 2018 16:10 (five years ago) link
I think you'll find there were very fine people on both sides...
― Matt DC, Monday, 29 October 2018 16:13 (five years ago) link
Classic example of media-fuelled, mercantile false equivalencies right there.
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― pomenitul, Monday, 29 October 2018 16:14 (five years ago) link
Facts or a refreshing break from facts.
― nashwan, Monday, 29 October 2018 16:23 (five years ago) link
Heh, that's a little too otm for comfort.
― pomenitul, Monday, 29 October 2018 16:24 (five years ago) link
For BBC Monitoring it seems the austerity has never been over.
@BBCMonitoringAfter much speculation Turkish President Erdogan has announced that the new airport in Istanbul will be called "Istanbul Airport"
― nashwan, Monday, 29 October 2018 16:29 (five years ago) link
Infuriating BBC tweet. Bolsonaro isn’t doing an HBO standup special
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 29 October 2018 16:51 (five years ago) link
Because a lot of people did pretty well out of the dictatorship and do well out of fascism - I think you can guess who.
― Alma Kirby (Tom D.), Monday, 29 October 2018 16:55 (five years ago) link
I just don't even know. I would hope other SA countries will take up the slack and move towards more progressive agendas, international companies will move their offices out of Sao Paulo, but none of this will help the Brazilian people.
― Yerac, Monday, 29 October 2018 16:59 (five years ago) link
Precedent for international companies disliking fascism?
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Monday, 29 October 2018 17:06 (five years ago) link
I just don't even know. I would hope other SA countries will take up the slack and move towards more progressive agendas
Latin America’s Right-Wing Turn
― Karl Malone, Monday, 29 October 2018 17:10 (five years ago) link
Another excellent tweet, this one from Canada:
Brazil's new president elect, Jair Bolsonaro, is a right-winger who leans towards more open markets. This could mean fresh opportunities for Canadian companies looking to invest in the resource-rich country. https://t.co/g00QUOeutt— CBC News Alerts (@CBCAlerts) October 28, 2018
― grawlix (unperson), Monday, 29 October 2018 17:12 (five years ago) link
googling a bit I found some UBS presentation on why a Bolsonaro win would be good for markets
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Monday, 29 October 2018 17:14 (five years ago) link
as much as the bolsonaro is going to cause horrific human death and destruction, the idea that he will raze a good section the amazon rainforest is hitting me the hardest here.
― fred-a van vleet (voodoo chili), Monday, 29 October 2018 17:15 (five years ago) link
Humans are really too stupid to manage themselves aren't they. And it's the "smartest" humans in particular who seem to fit that description.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Monday, 29 October 2018 17:16 (five years ago) link
I mean, I am a temporary resident of Chile (soon to become permanent) I can see it opening up opportunities for other countries whose currency and current social landscape aren't are volatile. I just forbade my spouse from traveling to Brazil for work anymore.
― Yerac, Monday, 29 October 2018 17:16 (five years ago) link
And hopefully other countries will welcome any LGBTQ/allied Brazilians who want to leave.
― Yerac, Monday, 29 October 2018 17:17 (five years ago) link
He won't cause much death and destruction if he is dead and destroyed first. I can't see him lasting the year
― imago, Monday, 29 October 2018 17:18 (five years ago) link