I'm not sure who it is that thinks the Very Online Left has much sway over anything, especially considering part of its own shtick is a rueful recognition of how small/fringe it is. It seems as though s significant chunk of the Dem voter base is moving left, at varying speeds on varying issues, but I don't think anyone reasonable would chalk that up to shitposters
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 13:48 (five years ago) link
The hardcore online Clintonista liberals tend to overestimate their own influence though.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 14:01 (five years ago) link
Also, are these tweeters that Nerdstrom is quoting reading challenged? Because Libby literally says that Obama was GOOD at doing the things she is suggesting, she just thinks he was a letdown on policy. And then everyone responding is pointing to Obama doing the things she is suggesting. Which is exactly her point.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 14:03 (five years ago) link
"The way to get people to vote is to offer them candidates who actually give people hope that politics could make things better for them—which is what Obama did for many people of my generation (how wrong we were)."
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 14:04 (five years ago) link
The discussion is about a specific rally speech.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 14:08 (five years ago) link
Oic. Didn’t realize that was a quote from the same rally.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 14:32 (five years ago) link
As for using "liberal" as a pejorative, the American liberal is the most right-leaning iteration on the planet, and its quintessence right now is Chuck Schumer. So yes, fuck em.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 14:34 (five years ago) link
I couldn’t 100% swear to it, but I think the left was using it as a pejorative decades before the right. Certainly decades before now in any case.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 14:41 (five years ago) link
Phil Ochs to thread
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 14:42 (five years ago) link
I can absolutely see Rob Reiner turning lefties in.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 14:45 (five years ago) link
Hey what’s the third worst King Vidor movie?
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 14:51 (five years ago) link
Who is a Libby, is she famous?
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 14:51 (five years ago) link
Yeah imo Marua's otm in that there's no denying the right's superior jiu jitsu, and it's partly well explained by the hack gap, and in some respects long echoed by the left (would you believe it's been used so for longer than Libby Watson's been alive, my sweet heavens), which means it's more popular these days. But I'm not sure why y'all are spleening about a blogger clickfarming about a former President as if that's a meaningful puzzle piece in skirmish over power in the party.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 14:51 (five years ago) link
Lol Rush and Fox stole liberal as perjorative from the leftists and the funny podcast guys and I are stealing it back
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 14:56 (five years ago) link
I love how the shift goes fromdefending anti-anti voting takes to downplaying how influential people online are.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 15:02 (five years ago) link
you really are beyond help, i don't know why i bother
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 15:09 (five years ago) link
maybe instead we should talk about david brooks "here's some free advice, democrats" column today which says "democrats should stop making the election about healthcare, they should instead give voters something inspiring they care about, like saying trump is bad and a racist liar, but not in a "social justice warrior" way that suggests minorities and queer people are discriminated against in our society"
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 15:14 (five years ago) link
i don't aspire to live in a world where very online left bloggers had more influence over the democratic party, but i do think it would be OK if david brooks had as little influence over the democratic party as very online left bloggers
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 15:15 (five years ago) link
But I'm not sure why y'all are spleening about a blogger clickfarming about a former President as if that's a meaningful puzzle piece in skirmish over power in the party.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, 24. oktober 2018 16:51 (twenty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Morbs posted it, and a lot of hijinks and misunderstandings ensued.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 15:19 (five years ago) link
Libby generally tends to just reiterate the “very online left” takes after they’ve been made a thousand or so people before here ― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, October 24, 2018 9:41 AM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, October 24, 2018 9:41 AM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
like yeah dude i'm 100% with you on this and i don't think it's a take worth defending
the anti-anti-voting thing is a manifestation of her how bubble processes the guilt of having down played the threat of Trump/the GOP
what is this collective psychoanalysis horseshit
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 15:21 (five years ago) link
i just wish Obama would go back on the boat with that Branson guy; his "hope" turned out to be nearly as full of shit as Billy Blythe's
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 15:23 (five years ago) link
Imagining this to be some kind of “hipster” thing shows a complete lack of historical and ideological awareness.
man alive 100% correct this is actually an idiot 1930s USSR thing - social fascism
― Mordy, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 15:25 (five years ago) link
It wasn’t in response to you Hoos
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 15:27 (five years ago) link
oh the whole antediluvian Dem gang is here
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 15:28 (five years ago) link
It’s the 1918 WW1 comedy “Bud’s Recruit” isn’t it?
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 15:36 (five years ago) link
Here is the ranking of the institutions Democrats and Republicans the most to least confidence in. Data from the 2018 American Institutional Confidence Poll released today! https://t.co/o4cJ6xvKWb … @GUBakerCenter @knightfdn pic.twitter.com/kJdasbjsQr— Jonathan Ladd (@jonmladd) October 24, 2018
wtg amazon!
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 15:41 (five years ago) link
The new populist Republican party loves banks
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 15:44 (five years ago) link
"confidence" kind of a weird thing to assess wrt Amazon
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 15:53 (five years ago) link
Nerdstrom, please eat nitrate stock til you explode
some Amazon confidence reading:
https://boingboing.net/2018/10/23/oppenheimers-ai.html
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 16:01 (five years ago) link
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), 24. oktober 2018 16:34 (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
This is hilariously wrong, btw.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 16:09 (five years ago) link
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, October 24, 2018 8:53 AM (seventeen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I'm not even confident my shit will arrive when they promise it will or that the shit they send me will be the genuine article but at least they aren't hiding anything I guess!
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 16:12 (five years ago) link
They generally have a rep for good customer service. Is there a company we were rooting for to be ranked higher?
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 16:21 (five years ago) link
AT&T
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 16:22 (five years ago) link
To the extent that such polling is in any way "useful" I'd rather know what institutions/companies ppl think are ethical rather than "reliable" or whatever
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 16:23 (five years ago) link
i would find these confidence questions nearly impossible to answer
― shwarmaduke (symsymsym), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 16:53 (five years ago) link
so, poll thread?
― Mordy, Wednesday, October 24, 2018 10:25 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Many of today's American liberals are not even social democrats.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 17:40 (five years ago) link
fwiw I consider myself closer to social democrat than socialist, but the discourse has been swung so far to the right in this country that you kind of need socialism back in the mix to even get a half-assed shot at social democracy.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 17:41 (five years ago) link
also just to throw this out there for some perspective, guess who said it was imperative that the bolsheviks embrace social democracy as the only way forward for the russian revolution
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 17:42 (five years ago) link
it was lenin, lenin said it
these terms are always in contention within specific historical contexts and this whole discussion is silly
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 17:43 (five years ago) link
what you citin there HOOS
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 17:46 (five years ago) link
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51xmX1Fe7zL._SX332_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 17:58 (five years ago) link
just to be clear lenin died in 1924
― Mordy, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 18:20 (five years ago) link
anyone referencing lenin or marx or take-yer-pick-of-em in 2018 is an actual fanatic imo
― lie back and think of englund (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 18:25 (five years ago) link
agreed!!
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 18:26 (five years ago) link
just to be clear lenin died in 1924― Mordy, Wednesday, October 24, 2018 6:20 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Mordy, Wednesday, October 24, 2018 6:20 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, October 24, 2018 5:43 PM (forty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
glad we're clear
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 18:26 (five years ago) link
ffs cant even pick a fight with the fuckin trots these days on ilx burn it down
― lie back and think of englund (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 18:27 (five years ago) link
https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/44436096_1741895499266212_5183054859368136704_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=6db7af0e47e2797a629b6a18f6d3bb23&oe=5C408F6E
ok sorry everyone i'm done now
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 18:31 (five years ago) link
i'm looking at a cam of Lenin's corpse right now
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 18:31 (five years ago) link