Katrina's POLITICAL aftermath (keep the political discussions HERE)

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re: celine - i liked when she said "open the television". bless.

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Monday, 5 September 2005 03:08 (twenty years ago)

The people from the hotels that were waiting for the 6 buses to come for them for that never came so that they paid $45 a ticket for. Um, this was the bus that Toussaint ended up on, so is it different then the ren bus? I haven't followed the story, obv.

Mary (Mary), Monday, 5 September 2005 03:17 (twenty years ago)

people are quick:

http://www.livejournal.com/userpic/34583447/8201593

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 5 September 2005 05:49 (twenty years ago)

"Donald Rumsfeld, How will the defense department respond to the lawlessness that has broken out?"

Donald Rumsfeld: "We're not, uh... we won't be involved with that. We'll be leaving that up to local law enforcement and uh... to delegate that."

Rumsfeld then goes on to save face by listing what the Defense Dept. will be involved with, which includes everything BUT defense. Is this just a lame strategy to cover up the fact that everyone's over in Iraq?

Contributed Answer, Monday, 5 September 2005 15:33 (twenty years ago)

What local law enforcement? It doesn't seem to have hit them that the concept of "local" is gone in NO.

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 5 September 2005 17:26 (twenty years ago)

French Quarter Holdouts Create 'Tribes'

Remy (x Jeremy), Monday, 5 September 2005 18:07 (twenty years ago)

"I'm heart-broken to leave the city that I love," Rowland said as he sat in the air-conditioned splendor of the bus. "It didn't have to be this way."

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 5 September 2005 18:43 (twenty years ago)

but jesus christ, every single scenario of civilization break-down(war or nuclear or whatever) from Mad Max to George R Stewart's _Earth Abides_(written 57 years ago) to the Fallout games, has that phenomenon happening.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 5 September 2005 18:48 (twenty years ago)

check this out, the governor hired James Lee Witt(the last FEMA head who had any idea what the fuck his job was) to coordinate the efforts.

Louisiana officials are getting stretched too thin and need help, she said. "I like to hire the smartest people in the country," she added.

the local radio just said she also refused to turn over control of the Natl Guard to FEMA, but there's no confirmation of that.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 5 September 2005 19:12 (twenty years ago)

the local radio just said she also refused to turn over control of the Natl Guard to FEMA, but there's no confirmation of that.

nytimes.com also mentioned that, but I don't remember which article it was.

lyra (lyra), Monday, 5 September 2005 19:24 (twenty years ago)

okay, next talking point might be showing up: even Michelle Malking is calling for Mike Brown's head. How much you wanna bet that since the whole "blame the guvner & mayor" thing ain't working, they'll call for Brown to sacrifice himself to draw heat away from Chertoff or El Doofus.

As this guy writes:

Because, as well all know, the buck stops with the FEMA director and not the head of Homeland Security (his boss) or George Bush (HIS boss).

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 5 September 2005 19:45 (twenty years ago)

a piece on how U.S. NorthernCommand was ready to go well in advance of the hurricane:

"We had the USS Bataan sailing almost behind the hurricane so once the hurricane made landfall, its search and rescue helicopters could be available almost immediately So, we had things ready.

"The only caveat is: we have to wait until the president authorizes us to do so. The laws of the United States say that the military can't just act in this fashion; we have to wait for the president to give us permission."

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 5 September 2005 20:23 (twenty years ago)

Well shit, the guy can't do everything.

Masked Gazza, Monday, 5 September 2005 23:18 (twenty years ago)

i know! it's Hard Work!

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 5 September 2005 23:56 (twenty years ago)

He thinks about it a lot, though. Every day.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 5 September 2005 23:59 (twenty years ago)

aw, celine

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 00:02 (twenty years ago)

he asks her to sing??

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 00:05 (twenty years ago)

whoa, check out Andrew Sullivan today

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 00:08 (twenty years ago)

from there:

BUSH'S OWN PLAN: The 2004 National Response Plan explicitly states that, at times of

any natural or manmade incident, including terrorism, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the population, infrastructure, environment, economy, national morale, and/or government functions,
the federal government pre-empts local and state government in its responsibility to act quickly. After 9/11, the administration wisely dispensed with the formalities of deferring to local authorities (which, of course, in this case had already issued a state of emergency as early as August 26). The attempt by the spinners to blame this on the obviously overwhelmed and incompetent local authorities, doesn't fit with the Bush administration's own rules. Proof positive can be read here. Keep digging, Karl.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 00:10 (twenty years ago)

But I was not given good information by the intelligence community.

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 03:10 (twenty years ago)

Well, looks like the other side has figured out how to recover from this debacle after all ...


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

(The National Review)
September 03, 2005, 4:54 p.m.
New Orleans 2008

The wind had barely stopped blowing before Katrina and the storm's aftermath had become the latest front in the nation's political/cultural war. Bush critics are already undermining their own cause with overreaching, as they denounce the president as a racist for his alleged unconcern about the suffering of so many black people in New Orleans. But an administration whose FEMA director knew less about on-the-ground conditions in the stricken city this week than the average TV viewer has a real vulnerability.

It will only address that vulnerability with a performance in coming days and weeks that is more in keeping with the GOP's image as the "daddy party," the party of competence, the party that can be trusted in times of crisis. That is the main thing. But symbolism will matter too. No single step would go further to dramatize the GOP's commitment to rebuilding New Orleans than announcing now that the party's 2008 convention will be held in the recovering city. Such a move would signal the party's confidence in the Big Easy's renewal, and put it at the forefront of what should be similar commitments from private actors to do their part to help New Orleans come back.

Critics will call it a transparent attempt to burnish the party's image after the Bush administration "failed" with the initial relief effort. The gesture would, however, reflect the genuine sentiment of Republicans who, like all Americans, want to help a city facing such a bleak future. We heard similar complaints — easily brushed off — about the Republicans' coming to New York for last year's convention.

No doubt there will be logistical problems. There were logistical problems putting on big events in New Orleans even in the best of times. But the Republicans held their convention there in 1988, and should return 20 years later. They will go to a city that then will, no doubt, still be scarred by the catastrophe of the last week, but back on its feet, and a perfect venue for a testament to the American spirit.




http://www.nationalreview.com/editorial/editors200509031654.asp

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 03:23 (twenty years ago)

It will only address that vulnerability with a performance in coming days and weeks that is more in keeping with the GOP's image as the "daddy party," the party of competence, the party that can be trusted in times of crisis. That is the main thing. But symbolism will matter too. No single step would go further to dramatize the GOP's commitment to rebuilding New Orleans than announcing now that the party's 2008 convention will be held in the recovering city. Such a move would signal the party's confidence in the Big Easy's renewal, and put it at the forefront of what should be similar commitments from private actors to do their part to help New Orleans come back.

i imagine that there were similar conversations in the kremlin circa chernobyl.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 03:28 (twenty years ago)

A nuclear disaster area would be a much more appropriate location for the Republican Convention.

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 03:34 (twenty years ago)

Quite frankly I can see an upside to the Republican convention being held underwater.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 03:57 (twenty years ago)

especially held underwater in the stagnant shit that's covering that city right now

Interdictor's boss when out with his camera to get some shots of the street. check out that water.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 04:02 (twenty years ago)

Is the Republican Party trying to self destruct now or something? Holy shit. They're gonna be left with nothing but Nixon Apologists and people who thought the Vietnam War was a good idea soon.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 04:05 (twenty years ago)

The Republicans have really got themselves into trouble this time. Passing the blame off to local officials probably isn't going to work except among people who are already hardcore Bushies - no one wants to hear "Not my problem" from the federal government.

Firing Michael Brown and/or Chertoff might please some, but anyone with half a brain will ask "Who appointed these clowns?"

Still, I wouldn't underestimate Karl Rove. From a purely political standpoint, the Democrats had better strategize hard about how to handle this.

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 04:11 (twenty years ago)

strategize?

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 04:20 (twenty years ago)

Trent Lott changes his mind about FEMA

Washington Post asks questions of all concerned (is this the first time Rice's NY trip has been mentioned in the 'serious' papers?)

carson dial (carson dial), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 11:10 (twenty years ago)

1 entry found for strategize.
strat·e·gize Audio pronunciation of "strategize" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (strt-jz)
v. strat·e·gized, strat·e·giz·ing, strat·e·giz·es
v. tr.

To plan a strategy for (a business or financial venture, for example).


v. intr.

To determine strategies; plan: “a lot to think about and strategize about and anticipate” (New Yorker).

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 11:31 (twenty years ago)

"Strategery"

Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 11:43 (twenty years ago)

Belgravia Dispatch hits the wall. He'll lose some people who clung onto him because he always argued the 'right' side re: Iraq, but he's been rapidly disenchanted over the course of this year and now Katrina has caused him to let loose, so those 'disappointed' in him can go hang.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 13:32 (twenty years ago)

Grover Nordquist was interviewed by Thom Hartmann on the local Air America affliate(KPOJ 620 am) this morning. I turned my radio off so i wouldn't have to smash it, but they got a call later on from a guy in "Northern Virginia"(remeber, this is only a Portland morning drivetime show) trying to get the talking point in about how it's the Mayor's fault. The caller wasn't on the air too long, which is a bit of a shame, b/c one needs to find all the talking points they're still trying to push.

i'm trying to find an archive of that show, maybe get it to the guy at crooksandliars for any relevant audio.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 14:56 (twenty years ago)

Guy on the radio just referred to "FEMA director Mike Jones."

Suddenly it all makes sense.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 14:56 (twenty years ago)

Who is Mike Jones?

Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 15:00 (twenty years ago)

an ilxor!!!

Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 15:01 (twenty years ago)

Better yet, as the mayor of Hattiesburg MS said, "Who's FEMA?"

Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 15:01 (twenty years ago)

(xpost) At least we can call him to complain now.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 15:02 (twenty years ago)

New Orleans: Screwed and Chopped

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 15:04 (twenty years ago)

Apparently, investigations from both the House & the Senate are going to be looking into the federal response.

let's see how long either Brown or Chertoff survive. Will Brown fall on the grenade, or will they feel they sacrifice Chertoff to get heat away from El Doofus?

Place your bets now.

Also, lets see how long the Army CoE taking the blame will last, or suffice...

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)

Send them on their way with their medals.

Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 15:08 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, my bet is, nobody gets fired, nobody gets publicly called on the carpet by the administration (except for Nagin, Blanco, the looters, anyone else who is A.) in Louisiana B.) Democratic or C.) otherwise unconnected to the Bush administration). If the heat stays on and people are still calling for blood in a month or 6 weeks (unlikely, since we have the Roberts confirmation and an upcoming Iraqi vote on the Constitution), then maybe Brown will quietly announce he's quitting to spend more time with his family, upon which he'll be roundly congratulated and praised by the president and will immediately land some lucrative consulting or lobbying gig. Chertoff ain't goin' nowhere. Look at that guy, he's the smart fixer dude that movie villains always keep around to handle the staff no one else can. He's a Sith. Siths don't get fired.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 15:14 (twenty years ago)

("handle the stuff," I mean. although "handle the staff" maybe works too.)

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 15:15 (twenty years ago)

breaking news on bbc site:


Bush to lead inquiry into Katrina

US President George W Bush says he will lead an investigation into how the Hurricane Katrina disaster was handled.

"I'm going to find out over time what went right and what went wrong," he said in reply to criticism that the authorities were too slow to respond.

His focus, he added, was on helping the victims but there would be "ample time" for an investigation.

Officials in New Orleans have urged its last residents to leave the swamped city, saying it is now uninhabitable.

In an open letter, the city's Times-Picayune newspaper has demanded the sacking of top emergency service officials.

Ex-President Bill Clinton, and his wife, Senator Hillary Clinton, have been among those to call for an inquiry.

No blame game

How the different levels of government had reacted to Katrina would be examined, Mr Bush said, but he refused to "play the blame game".

"We got to solve problems - there will be ample time to figure out what went right and what went wrong," he said in Washington.

America, he added, had to be sure it could respond properly to another disaster, whether natural or an attack with weapons of mass destruction.

Stressing his focus on victims, Mr Bush also pledged not to allow "bureaucracy... to get in the way of getting the job done for the people".

He also announced that Vice President Dick Cheney would visit Gulf Coast region on Thursday to help assess the government's work.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 15:18 (twenty years ago)

Will he conclude that he demonstrated a perplexing level of ineptitude during this crisis? A hapless inability to act fast enough and satisfactorily in protecting his own citizens, some of whom might even have voted for him?

I'm guessing nah.

"I'm going to find out over time what went right and what went wrong,"

See you in five to eight years then.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 15:21 (twenty years ago)

They're sending Cheney? Haven't those people suffered enough?

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 15:21 (twenty years ago)

check this out:

Al Gore's gunna be in Portland tonight

Straight Talk - A Real Look at Global Warming"
Presented by former Vice President Al Gore

This is a unique opportunity to see Al Gore present on an issue of vital local, national, and international importance.

I'm heading to this with my camera. Will report back later tonight.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 15:25 (twenty years ago)

Nice to hear that Bush has appropriated the "these are Americans, not refugees" line.

That's compassion.

Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 15:47 (twenty years ago)

Nice initiative by the President. I heard that he's gonna put Bernie Kerik in charge of the whitewash investigation.

Hunter (Hunter), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 15:53 (twenty years ago)

Isn't there some truth to the idea that Nagin dropped the ball to some degree, though. I mean, New Orleans definately had a plan laid out for this, which specifically stated that public transportation would be provided for those who had no mobility. And aren't there a ton of buses that went completely unused in the days before the hurricane hit, which are now flooded.

I agree that the administation and the federal gov't reacted very poorly, but is there anyone here that will agree with me that Nagin isn't invulnerable to criticism here. I mean, he is the Mayor of New Orleans. Did he execute any real plans prior to this storm hitting?

Benjamin H (BillMartini), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 15:55 (twenty years ago)


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