US Politics, October 2018: next week will be even longer

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so the Saudis did kill Kashoggi

Dan S, Saturday, 20 October 2018 03:30 (five years ago) link

Omg no way

(•̪●) (carne asada), Saturday, 20 October 2018 03:32 (five years ago) link

It was self-defense. #standyourground

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 20 October 2018 03:35 (five years ago) link

"killed in fight"

Dan S, Saturday, 20 October 2018 03:36 (five years ago) link

Embassy brawl. Been there, man.

Tale as old as time.

(I'm Always Touched by Your) Presence, Beer (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 20 October 2018 03:55 (five years ago) link

As if killed in fight somehow justifies chopping him up into pieces and spiriting him out.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 20 October 2018 03:57 (five years ago) link

insert 'that escalated quickly' meme here.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 20 October 2018 03:58 (five years ago) link

a fistfight! with a fifteen member Saudi team with a bone saw

Dan S, Saturday, 20 October 2018 04:29 (five years ago) link

It's like what happened w/Eric Trump and those hookers 12 times...

Ubering With The King (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 20 October 2018 04:38 (five years ago) link

a twelve member hooker team saw a boner?

StanM, Saturday, 20 October 2018 04:51 (five years ago) link

Is this caravan likely to be a rallying point for right wing voting, seems a little transparent that blaming it on the Dems is openly propagandistic.
Would think it was also a thing that would be better timed if it was a Dem thing since right now is the time of the midterms and it is more likely to be responded to in terms of voting by one side than the other isn't it? Or is it also a rallying point for the left.

Just thinking it could be much better timed in terms of knock on effect.

Stevolende, Saturday, 20 October 2018 07:38 (five years ago) link

wait, what? The caravan is "planned"?

You like queer? I like queer. Still like queer. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 20 October 2018 11:14 (five years ago) link

Scott Simon interviewing some hack about "America's moral leadership" ... I lol'd

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 20 October 2018 12:35 (five years ago) link

Would think that the caravan might be a catalyst for higher GOP turnout which would be pretty negative.
& it happening at almost any other time would be better.

& I have heard it referred to several times as a leftist ploy.
But no I don't think it was planned by anybody in the U.S.
Does seem to be organised to some extent though, seems like a lot of people to just keep chancing into each other otherwise.

Stevolende, Saturday, 20 October 2018 15:04 (five years ago) link

GOP excitement already high. I'm not worried.

You like queer? I like queer. Still like queer. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 20 October 2018 15:05 (five years ago) link

People are self-organizing and they will seek to maximize their chances of survival in what ever way seems most likely to succeed. In a tiny group, they are easily preyed upon at every turn as they travel through strange territory. Banding together around a common goal and seeking safety in numbers is a very obvious and intelligent strategy.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 20 October 2018 16:18 (five years ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/3ZWWMC2.png

The fundraising numbers are so good for Democrats — and so bad for Republicans — that it’s hard to know quite what to make of them. From a modeling standpoint, we’re extrapolating from years in which fundraising was relatively even, or from when one party had a modest edge, into an environment where Democrats suddenly have a 2-1 advantage in fundraising in competitive races. Moreover, this edge comes despite the fact that a large number of these competitive races feature Republican incumbents (incumbents usually have an easier time raising money than challengers) and that most of them are in red terrain.

If Democrats beat their projections on Nov. 6 — say, they win 63 House seats, equalling the number that Republicans won in 2010, an unlikely-but-not-impossible scenario — we may look back on these fundraising numbers as the canary in the coal mine. That data, plus Democrats’ very strong performances in special elections, could look like tangible signs of a Democratic turnout surge that pollsters and pundits perhaps won’t have paid enough attention to. Right now, in fact, the polls are not showing a Democratic turnout advantage. Instead, based on a comparison of likely-voter and registered-voter polls, they’re projecting roughly equal turnout between the parties, with Republicans’ demographic advantages (older, whiter voters typically vote at higher rates in the midterms) counteracting Democrats’ seemingly higher enthusiasm. If turnout among Democratic-leaning groups actually outpaces turnout among Republican-leaning ones, Democrats will beat their polls and our projections.

It’s just as easy to imagine the error running the other way, however. Maybe — precisely because fundraising has become easier and candidates are winning contributions from out-of-state and out-of-district donors — fundraising is no longer as meaningful an indicator of candidates’ grassroots appeal or organizational strength. Maybe the demographics of the Republican coalition have changed such that they’ll no longer raise as much money but will still get plenty of votes. Or maybe the GOP can make up for their lack of individual fundraising with more money from outside groups. If that’s the case, our model could overestimate Democrats’ chances.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-the-democrats-unprecedented-fundraising-edge-is-scary-for-republicans-and-for-our-model/

Karl Malone, Saturday, 20 October 2018 17:21 (five years ago) link

meanwhile, at the NYT

https://i.imgur.com/Bngz2Oj.png

Karl Malone, Saturday, 20 October 2018 17:23 (five years ago) link

On fundraising, we have an interesting case here in Knoxville -- a state house race in a rare genuine swing district. It's the third time in a row the same Democratic and Republican candidates have faced off. The first time, the Democrat was the incumbent, and the Republican beat her by about 80 votes. The second time, he beat her by 150 votes. She just outraised him in the 3rd quarter by $70k to $46k, and she's cumulatively outraised him for the year to date. If that translates into even a small increase in Democratic turnout, she will probably win. We'll see.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 20 October 2018 17:35 (five years ago) link

See, that's what puzzles me about that FiveThirtyEight story. Is Silver's theory that people are willing to donate money to candidates, but then don't show up to vote? That seems weird to me. It seems logical that someone willing to give money to a political candidate would also be willing - even eager - to show up and vote for them. Even if they're donating to a candidate in another part of the country, that should indicate a willingness to vote for that candidate's party locally, yes?

grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 20 October 2018 17:37 (five years ago) link

Even if they're donating to a candidate in another part of the country, that should indicate a willingness to vote for that candidate's party locally, yes?

Sure, but if you're donating money to a House candidate in contested district but not able to vote in that district AND the race you can vote in is not a contested race, then the predictive value of your donation for the contested race is nil.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 20 October 2018 17:50 (five years ago) link

Well, outside of how much a big war chest can help a candidate, which seems difficult to really pin down?

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 20 October 2018 17:51 (five years ago) link

oh cool, they played "Sympathy For The Devil" as entry music for the Montana rally, what a nice wholesome song

sleeve, Saturday, 20 October 2018 17:56 (five years ago) link

Is Silver's theory that people are willing to donate money to candidates, but then don't show up to vote?

i think the general thrust of his piece is that the fundraising situation is very unusual this year, and while that would seem to point to a democratic advantage - it's better to have more money than less! - the models that 538 and others have developed aren't really sure of how to incorporate it. then he points to a number of ways that the fundraising advantage in some districts could be overblown, including the possibility that some local candidates are benefiting from out-of-state donations that don't really reflect the strength of the candidate in the district itself.

Karl Malone, Saturday, 20 October 2018 18:39 (five years ago) link

if you're nervous about fundraising's role in the 538 predictions (and you otherwise believe the 538 approach), switch to "lite" (polls-only).

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 20 October 2018 19:20 (five years ago) link

or mail your ballot and go to bed for 3 weeks

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 20 October 2018 19:20 (five years ago) link

Mailed mine in a week ago, I live in Pelosi's district, etc. etc. Really I'm mostly wondering about the local city propositions.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 20 October 2018 19:22 (five years ago) link

mailed mine in a few days ago. wish i lived could vote in a swing district/state!

Karl Malone, Saturday, 20 October 2018 19:30 (five years ago) link

Silver's article didn't really address Republican dark money money though, as a twitter response noted

Democrats maybe out fundraising Republicans. But the billionaire outside dark money at least matches what Democrats have to spend. So it means more of a ground game for Democrats, b/c Republicans have the help over the air with phony ads from Sheldon Addleson & Koch Brothers.

curmudgeon, Saturday, 20 October 2018 20:21 (five years ago) link

Early voting is the best, felt like a relief to get it done

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 20 October 2018 20:48 (five years ago) link

yeah we got our ballots yesterday, I love vote-by-mail

sleeve, Saturday, 20 October 2018 21:26 (five years ago) link

no way, going to vote is the best (unless the lines are terrible)

it’s pretty much the only time that, however misguidedly, i feel a little pride in my country

mookieproof, Saturday, 20 October 2018 21:44 (five years ago) link

have gone to vote in person at the precinct, felt good about it, but nothing beats absentee voting imo

on the other hand I don't like to solidify my opinions and mail the ballot in too early, a lot of the exposition of issues doesn't really feel final until fairly late in the campaigns, especially in California where citizens are expected to be legislators through the referendum process

Dan S, Sunday, 21 October 2018 01:52 (five years ago) link

troll army and Twitter insider

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/20/us/politics/saudi-image-campaign-twitter.html

This is such a scandal: McKinsey identified prominent online critics of Saudi govt policies and sent their names to the government in a report. Govt arrested one, arrested the brothers of another (who was living abroad) https://t.co/18GzbRfRgD pic.twitter.com/Ijw6Jt4vNi

— Tom Gara (@tomgara) October 20, 2018

Dan S, Sunday, 21 October 2018 02:25 (five years ago) link

more Bolton's bidding than Putin's, wouldn't you say?

Russia has condemned US plans to withdraw from a Cold War-era nuclear weapons treaty and threatened to retaliate for a "very dangerous step".

On Saturday, President Trump said he intended to "terminate" the three-decade-old 1987 Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF) treaty.

He said Russia had been "violating it for many years".

The deal banned ground-launched medium-range missiles, with a range of between 500 and 5,500km (310-3,400 miles).

In the last five decades the US and Russia have signed a range of joint agreements to limit and reduce their substantial nuclear arsenals.

Abandoning the INF - negotiated by US President Ronald Reagan and Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev in 1987 - would mark a significant setback for arms control, analysts say.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45931231

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 21 October 2018 14:28 (five years ago) link

So sick of this piece of shit playing dice with people's peace of mind according to the whims of his diseased mind. Just launch all the fuckers and put us out of our misery already.

Extra Shprankles (Old Lunch), Sunday, 21 October 2018 15:23 (five years ago) link

where's the tax returns?

reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 21 October 2018 15:23 (five years ago) link

mourning!

You like queer? I like queer. Still like queer. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 21 October 2018 15:26 (five years ago) link

The New York Times reports:

The Trump administration is considering narrowly defining gender as a biological, immutable condition determined by genitalia at birth, the most drastic move yet in a government-wide effort to roll back recognition and protections of transgender people under federal civil rights law.

A series of decisions by the Obama administration loosened the legal concept of gender in federal programs, including in education and health care, recognizing gender largely as an individual’s choice and not determined by the sex assigned at birth. Conservatives, especially evangelical Christians, were incensed.

Now the Department of Health and Human Services is spearheading an effort to establish a legal definition of sex under Title IX, the federal civil rights law that bans gender discrimination in education programs that receive government financial assistance, according to a memo obtained by The New York Times. The agency’s proposed definition would define sex as either male or female, unchangeable, and determined by the genitals that a person is born with, according to a draft reviewed by The Times.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 21 October 2018 15:59 (five years ago) link

this morning's news recap, for people who think trump is not so bad because he "hasn't been that effective, domestically"

- US is unilaterally pulling out of the INF treaty so that we can start a new nuclear arms race (one of trump's favorite television shows that could use a reboot). the best case scenario is that he'll decide to "resolve" the crisis he created by negotiating a new treaty from scratch. not to be too Cassandra-y but nuclear weapons have advanced in recent years, in very scary ways - they are more accurate and can more efficiently penetrate the ground, which means that fewer bombs can create far more destruction than ever before - so escalating a nuclear race at this point is like dr strangelove in real life.

- the "caravan" of george soros-funded criminals that is trying to breach the US border in time to commit voter fraud in the mid-terms has crossed into mexico. yesterday they were held up at the border, where mexico law enforcement in riot gear fired tear gas at them. by the way they're actually families with small children that are choosing to do this because it is better than their situation in Honduras. hundreds of these migrants ended up wading across the suchiate river into mexico, and now they're continuing their journey to the US, this time with a police escort. if they reach the US, trump says he'll shut down the border and "we're calling up the military — not the Guard."

- "WASHINGTON — The Trump administration is considering narrowly defining gender as a biological, immutable condition determined by genitalia at birth, the most drastic move yet in a governmentwide effort to roll back recognition and protections of transgender people under federal civil rights law.

Now the Department of Health and Human Services is spearheading an effort to establish a legal definition of sex under Title IX, the federal civil rights law that bans gender discrimination in education programs that receive government financial assistance, according to a memo obtained by The New York Times.

The department argued in its memo that key government agencies needed to adopt an explicit and uniform definition of gender as determined “on a biological basis that is clear, grounded in science, objective and administrable.” The agency’s proposed definition would define sex as either male or female, unchangeable, and determined by the genitals that a person is born with, according to a draft reviewed by The Times. Any dispute about one’s sex would have to be clarified using genetic testing.

“Sex means a person’s status as male or female based on immutable biological traits identifiable by or before birth,” the department proposed in the memo, which was drafted and has been circulating since last spring. “The sex listed on a person’s birth certificate, as originally issued, shall constitute definitive proof of a person’s sex unless rebutted by reliable genetic evidence.”

The new definition would essentially eradicate federal recognition of the estimated 1.4 million Americans who have opted to recognize themselves — surgically or otherwise — as a gender other than the one they were born into."

Karl Malone, Sunday, 21 October 2018 16:08 (five years ago) link

bad enough by any measure

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 21 October 2018 16:14 (five years ago) link

I’m only just realizing the massive scale of this caravan as they march north into Mexico. It’s several thousand people. Just look. pic.twitter.com/aRuoLNYTZg

— Kate Linthicum (@katelinthicum) October 21, 2018

Karl Malone, Sunday, 21 October 2018 16:16 (five years ago) link

And I'd had such a good morning too.

You like queer? I like queer. Still like queer. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 21 October 2018 16:36 (five years ago) link

reminder 1,000,000,000 that anyone who voted for 2scoops is a dipshit or an asshole (if not both) ~

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation-world/ct-trump-gop-tax-cut-claim-20181020-story.html?

reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 21 October 2018 16:54 (five years ago) link

holy shit. Good news:

Andrew Gillum leads DeSantis 54-42, says a new CNN poll. This would be a politics-changing result in FL.

Gillum's lead is far higher than any other poll we've seen, so outlier warning. Still, DeSantis has led in no poll since August primary. https://t.co/pzMEQdIQb6

— Taniel (@Taniel) October 21, 2018

You like queer? I like queer. Still like queer. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 21 October 2018 17:01 (five years ago) link

an outlier, I suppose, but a nice way to begin early voting tomorrorw

You like queer? I like queer. Still like queer. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 21 October 2018 17:04 (five years ago) link

the state and local elections in the east bay area (CA) are some of the nastiest weirdest things I've seen ever. the amount of money flowing to an assembly race between two democrats, one ostensibly more centrist than the other, has so much money in it, and so many misleading and crazy mailers and ads going around, I don't know what to think. Similarly the CA state superindent of schools race seems to be funded completely by weird dark money PACs. One of the candidates is someone my wife went to school with. He's ostensibly a Democrat but is getting slammed as being tied to Devos; meanwhile people supporting him are sending out mailers saying he'll fight the Trump/Devos adgenda, yet, the mailer was paid for by someone behind Charter schools. Charter school backers are also the ones flowing tons of money into that assembly race. It's bizarre. On stated policies none of these people are even very far apart.

akm, Sunday, 21 October 2018 18:32 (five years ago) link

The more that is at stake in an election, the more lies will be told in an effort to win. I think I will call this Aimless' Law.

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 21 October 2018 18:56 (five years ago) link

Yeah, those superintendent commercials have been running constantly. Very odd. More background:

Edsource:

But scratch deeper, and differences emerge. On one issue expected to go before the Legislature next year, Tuck opposes letting districts reject a charter school it decides could have a negative financial impact on a district. Thurmond reframes the question in a way that charter defenders find problematic at best: He would condition opening a new charter school on compensating a district for the financial loss of revenue.

LA Times:

Thurmond ... worked for 20 years as a social worker and nonprofit manager, often in schools, trying to help the kind of at-risk student he once was. He entered politics and served on the Richmond City Council and the local school board before moving to the Legislature.

Tuck put aside a promising start in finance and a tech start-up to turn to education. In 2002, he was brought in to lead Green Dot Public Schools, a rare unionized charter group. Then, for six years, Tuck was chief executive of the Partnership for Los Angeles Schools, which was set up to turn around a group of low-performing schools. The Partnership schools made progress under Tuck, although they could not catch up to state averages.

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Sunday, 21 October 2018 19:08 (five years ago) link


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