one out all out: a brexit from the modern world and every one of its problems please (we're all gonna die lol)

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wow y'all got wound up by the green party

More amused than wound up, in my case.

when labour gets taken over by centrists you'll all come home tbh

many many xps

UC is going to hit people tories actually (strictly electorally) give a shit about - eg people in shaky self-employment in marginal constituencies. They might be on Tax Credits now and just starting to realise that they are going to be forced to move to UC within the next couple of years, and get significantly less money. They do not think they are currently on a benefit; many of them were intended as the audience, rather than the target, for the othering of 'scroungers'. This - rather than say basic humanity - will probably force a major change to UC.

I guess McVey has figured this out and is positioning herself for the coming shitstorm.

(xp) It's not my home.

xp

woof otm

It's probably part Iannucci's fault that UC is still impoverishing ppl, cos all those wankers he persuaded to vote x-ed the Tories in tight marginals in '15 + '17.

When I think of Greens I think of ex-LSE grads who are in shit rock bands, and have some worldview like we are all Richard Scarry characters, and live in windmills. And have future tech lighting that is powered by smugness.

they have a strong historical connection with the eugenics movement as well.

elon musk james murdoch are you reading this
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4004/4181693259_f24d5ea1e0_b.jpg

The creatures outside looked from pig driver to hot dog vehicle but already it was impossible etc.

they have a strong historical connection with the eugenics movement as well

There isn't a single political movement that *isn't* untainted by the eugenics movement, which was p. much mainstream thinking circa 1910.

Rather than targeting Nazis, the Greens would be better off reminding ppl that if we don't do something sharpish then climate change means we're all fucked anyway so diffs of opinion re Left vs Right become pretty much academic.

Scarry was determined to mess with our minds in his crazy anthropomorphic world - he has pigs frying bacon in one scene too.

Fuck me the replies to this. It’s so infuriating that for a huge chunk of people the debate hasn’t moved an inch from the referendum. There’s really not going to be a way to get through to them, is there?

Government papers say Britons could be barred from accessing their accounts for Netflix, Spotify and other online entertainment while travelling to EU member states in the event of a no-deal Brexit

— Sky News Breaking (@SkyNewsBreak) October 12, 2018

Meanwhile the Vindictive Areshole Office presides.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/13/home-office-sending-medics-to-accompany-man-on-removal-flight-australia-three-stokes

great use of public funds there, cheers

jesus christ that story demands an armed response

The Telegraph is loving this latest Corbyn story, https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/10/10/jeremy-corbyn-says-schools-should-teach-children-grave-injustices/.

heard some historians discussing it on the radio the other day, the desperate need for some of them to #notallempires is puke-inducing

some people really do believe the BE was somehow different from other evil global empires. I've even heard non-white people coming out with this claptrap. Corbyn totally otm.

tbf I'm not sure if any other global empires conspired to get an entire nation hooked on opium then shelled them when they objected to being turned into mumbling, drooling junkies.

gunboat drug-dealer diplomacy

if the Torygraph is wanting a sanitised, propagandist Tristam Hunt version of the benign Empire teaching, what hope is there of children staying awake in class?

come on, all that Featherstonehaugh of the Raj single-handedly butchering a thousand Pathans before opening the batting for England in the afternoon shit is totally thrilling

when they had been made civilised enough to govern themselves we jolly well left them to peacefully partition themselves accordingly and their were street parties waving union jacks from Madras to Lahore .. jolly good show.. The End.

It’s so infuriating that for a huge chunk of people the debate hasn’t moved an inch from the referendum. There’s really not going to be a way to get through to them, is there?

Economic collapse and unemployment might do it but even then I doubt it.

Every news story this morning seems to be about the impossibility of May getting any kind of Brexit deal through Parliament. Has anything intelligent been written about what happens if:

- Labour and Tory rebels vote down whatever May proposes (specifically, are we then guaranteeing No Deal, and how exactly does this benefit Labour?)
- The EU is so set on avoiding a hard border in Northern Ireland that it rejects all May's proposals and we end up with No Deal (and then a guaranteed hard border in Norther Ireland)

These two seem to be the big events that every commentator is assuming will happen but no one has actually called out what the consequences will be (including for the people making the decisions). The Labour dream scenario seems to be 'Brexit deal voted down -> govt collapses -> election which Labour win -> all happy now' which strikes me as total pie-in-the-sky cobblers but the worry is that's actually the plan.

The question is whether anyone - Remainers, Leavers, the media, ordinary voters staring down the barrel of No Deal and everything grinding to the halt - is going to thank Labour for breaking the government at that particular point, and even if they DO somehow win the election what are they going to do with the crisis that will immediately be theirs to deal with?

Meanwhile the EU seems to underestimating the difficulty May is going to have getting any deal that's acceptable to them through Parliament. But a hard border isn't acceptable to them either, certainly isn't acceptable to the Irish government, and would be pretty much the most irresponsible thing that a British PM could do other than the many irresponsible things they've already done. I just can't see the EU, when push comes to shove, going with any situation that would lead to a hard border, including No Deal.

So the only scenario that seems to work is an extension to Article 50. Is that even possible? Inconceivable that Labour wouldn't immediately request one having got in, and the Tories must know this. Obviously if May were to do so it would be self-immolating her own premiership but it's the one thing she could do that might be to the benefit of the country.

Also in the event of Britain actually requesting an extension, which European government is most likely to vote that down and what are the consequences for the EU when that happens?

We're in for a horrible three months of 11th hour brinskmanship whatever happens.

with the added clusterfuck of the DUP's hardfaced brinkmanship on their red lines and the threat of voting down the budget and the growing pressure from the "moderates" on UC, this whole government just might fall apart before the end of the month, but i wouldn't bet on it!

some people say the DUP are masters of playing the game of chicken, but it would be hilar if they had their bluff called and actually voted down the budget, and forcing an election.

idk if that would mean they would have to pay back a billion though.

Except the Fixed Term Parliaments Act means that voting down the Budget wouldn't necessarily lead to an election, especially if Parliament was feeling fearful enough - it actually increases the DUP's leverage given they have nothing to lose but their influence over the government.

The DUP could conceivably break the budget and then support the government in a no-confidence vote.

despite the FTP act, I thought a budget getting voted could still be fatal and trigger a vote of no-confidence. But yeah having their cake and eating it is the DUP mo!

budget getting down-voted - I meant.

since FTP the budget falling isn't fatal: the only thing that's fatal is losing a vote of confidence, and while a vote of confidence necessarily follows the budget going down, losing the first doesn't necessarily mean losing the second -- as matt says, the DUP could vote down the budget and then support may in a vote of confidence (and carry on doing so as long as things don't go their way)

they will vote against her in a vote of confidence when/if they decide they'll get a better deal out of a corbyn govt

We will get into relatively rare constitutional territory there, won’t we? It’s not going to be a US-style shutdown, but a government that can’t deliver supply yet doesn’t dissolve is effectively a zombie administration, no?

britain's most multilingual man otm:

Just booked a one way flight out the UK. Not an easy decision to leave family and friends behind, but there's a bad atmosphere in the country and I need to get out. Now feels like a good moment. I'll always be a European first. I'll never apologise for that. I leave in 3 weeks.

— Alex Rawlings (@rawlangs_alex) October 11, 2018

Rawlings, who speaks Russian, Italian, Dutch, Hungarian and Hebrew among many others, said: “I have huge faith in the people of the UK to sort this out eventually. It will take a generation… and in the long term, it will be good for the country to realise its own insignificance.”

The question of what it means to be British would, he said, remain fractured because “we have never done what Germany did and talk about the legacy of empire, about the terrible things this country has done in the world. That the majority of people in the UK think the British empire was a force for good is terrifying”.

On the earlier question, I think the plausible scenario comes down to “deal can’t pass parliament, govt uses this as a plausible reason to ask for an A50 extension, gets one, the govt rumbles along continuing to hope something turns up/Corbyn resigns/something.”

If they get a two-year extension, that will take us past the next election and that’s going to be a firecracker. Xp

what a smug twat is my take, tbh jed. Nothing like making all the ppl who haven't got the option to up sticks and go (to which liberal utopia?)abroad, feel even worse about their fucked up lives in the Uk!

To barcelona.

Where the spanish govt has been busy strangling the democratic independence movement with violence and locking up its leaders lol

he could have just said the weather's shit!

there is definitely a communication problem with the remainer movement

just stick to 'these corrupt cunts will make a mint off brexit' and say it over and over again

On the earlier question, I think the plausible scenario comes down to “deal can’t pass parliament, govt uses this as a plausible reason to ask for an A50 extension, gets one, the govt rumbles along continuing to hope something turns up/Corbyn resigns/something.”

This assumes that no anti-EU European government chooses to vote against an A50 extension, although you could argue that a disastrous Brexit isn't exactly in their interests either.

yes i think we're in "let's just do it and be legends" territory but i wd not be startled if that's where end up: the banter heuristic, what's simultaneously funniest and most awful :|

re the extension: this of course hands power over to the EU to say -- as the queen does re forming a government -- not if you can't demonstrate you have parliament's backing, no extension w/o an election

would they do this? ONLY IF IT'S FUNNY (and awful)

then of course we get a succession of unresolvably hung parliaments for months on end

Meanwhile I think the way in which revelations of pre-referendum interference and rulebreaking have been reported is, by and large, a dereliction of duty on behalf of the BBC, shit like this should be the top story really:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/14/met-police-damian-collins-no-investigation-leave-campaigners-data-misuse

the BBC don't even cover it when a stuffy old institution like the BMJ accuses the government of "corporate murder". Wouldn't expect them to embarrass the government over Leave using US style dark money and illegal means etc..

Last week in what it described as a “warning shot” across Conservative bows, the DUP abstained from a vote on the agriculture bill and said it could vote against the budget.

On Sunday in an opinion piece in the Belfast Telegraph, Foster raised the stakes further, saying she was not playing a game and hinting she was prepared to die in a ditch, politically speaking, to save the union.

“The DUP’s actions this week are not as some have suggested about ‘flexing muscle’. Anyone engaging in this in a lighthearted way foolishly fails to grasp the gravity of the decisions we will make in the coming weeks,” wrote Foster.

Sometimes I think the DUP might actually fuck this government over, even with the threat of republican PM Corbyn and they might even gamble on him not winning an election, which is quite plausible according to current polls.