chainsaw vs. extended chainsaw was when i gave myself over to the second half of this movie completely
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:16 (five years ago) link
if I wasn't clear on the other thread, my problem with Black Rainbow wasn't with how slow it was as much as it was that the film retained that glacial pace even when all the tension and dread had already been leached out of the story - ie, everything that happens after she escapes the compound. The ending is one of the stupidest deus ex machina copouts I've ever seen, and he dragged it way the fuck out. At that point the pacing worked against the film.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:19 (five years ago) link
you might like this one a lot more then
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:21 (five years ago) link
i also don't really know how the ending of black rainbow is a deus ex machina but i'll take your word for it. i find that movie's gradual transformation from a moody '70s cronenbergian body horror thing into a traditional slasher extremely charming
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:23 (five years ago) link
which, mandy does a similar thing: it pretty fearlessly goes wherever it's going to go
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:29 (five years ago) link
I preferred Beyond the Black Rainbow, which I know is bizarre.
― You like queer? I like queer. Still like queer. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:44 (five years ago) link
i also don't really know how the ending of black rainbow is a deus ex machina but i'll take your word for it
SPOILIDAD
the central conflict is resolved by the villain *tripping on a fucking rock and braining himself* iirc
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:47 (five years ago) link
yeah he does that bc the protagonist is psychic
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:50 (five years ago) link
if all she had to do was make him trip on a rock why did she spend all that time running away
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:51 (five years ago) link
i mean, she freezes him in place and the moment he tries to break out of her control he dies in an embarrassing and dumb way, which i think is a fitting end for an acid-melted entitled male monster
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:53 (five years ago) link
but the particular path mandy takes is more satisfying/cathartic and less anticlimactic than the end of black rainbow so again i'm pretty certain you'll like it more
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:54 (five years ago) link
I'm guessing if I don't like gore/brutality Black Rainbow is a better choice?
― Uhura Mazda (lukas), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 20:12 (five years ago) link
hard to say, i remember the deaths in black rainbow all being pretty gross in one way or another
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 20:20 (five years ago) link
splitting heads hairs imo
― You like queer? I like queer. Still like queer. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 20:21 (five years ago) link
you're either into his super slow mutated sense of pacing or not tbh, it's not really more complicated than that
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 20:35 (five years ago) link
The slowness of Mandy wasn't a problem. It does have a peculiar way of leaving in slack moments which most movies would cut, and uses tons of slow fades where most movies would have a hard cut. This worked really well in the creeping ambience of the first half. The slightly more tedious moments for me were the less visually compelling ones, like the visit to the pharmacist in the radio tower.
― jmm, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 20:45 (five years ago) link
That felt like a nod to the eye clinic in Blade Runner to me. But it didn't quite pull off the febrile deranged feeling he was clearly shooting for.
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 23:30 (five years ago) link
pls someone let Cosmatos take over on the new Dune movies
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 23:41 (five years ago) link
this was super agonizing to watch, very few parts i enjoyed (such as chainsaw battle), would not do it again
― forensic plumber (harbl), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 00:37 (five years ago) link
did you go to the cinema though
― My Gig: The Thin Beast (sic), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 01:09 (five years ago) link
i've seen it twice now, once in cinema and once not in cinema, and i don't like going to the theatre but i'd argue it's kinda necessary for that movie
― vote no on ilxit (Will M.), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 03:15 (five years ago) link
Still waiting with increasing irritation for literally any theater in the sixth-largest city in the United States to get this. We had one host the one-night premiere, which I blew off for something else since the same email said "opening September 14," but since then the only option has been a 90-minute round trip to Bethlehem, PA.
― You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 15:33 (five years ago) link
after being extended a week here, it's being brought back tomorrow after a week off: get a cheap flight to Seattle, I'll go see it again.
― My Gig: The Thin Beast (sic), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 17:40 (five years ago) link
hasn't been mentioned yet, i don't think, but the soundtrack rules. the last work of Jóhann Jóhannsson. i especially liked the black metal snippets, like when Red is going down the tunnel toward Jeremiah.
― 1-800-CALL-ATT (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 17:47 (five years ago) link
was mentioned in other threads' discussion before Brad sensibly split this one off
― My Gig: The Thin Beast (sic), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 18:07 (five years ago) link
"Amulet of the Weeping Maze" is song of the year.
― jmm, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 21:19 (five years ago) link
yes i saw it in the cinema, if this was on a tv i would have just turned it off lol
― forensic plumber (harbl), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 23:06 (five years ago) link
Oh yeah, there's a song from Red and the character's name is Red. I understand this movie now.
― jmm, Thursday, 11 October 2018 14:41 (five years ago) link
since then the only option has been a 90-minute round trip to Bethlehem, PA
what rough beast, its hours come round at last, &c &c
― hey, nifty clam! (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 11 October 2018 15:05 (five years ago) link
did not enjoy "beyond the black rainbow", but i was going to take a shot on this
sadly looks like tonight will be the last showing here, in theory i could drive to LA but it's only showing at midnight there. does that mean it's not doing so well?
― the late great, Friday, 12 October 2018 03:58 (five years ago) link
the original release was one night only, so it's been doing great
― My Gig: The Thin Beast (sic), Friday, 12 October 2018 07:53 (five years ago) link
Has been brought back to the AFI Silver for at least one more week; have a ticket for tonight.
― Accattony! Accattoni! Accattoné! (j.lu), Friday, 12 October 2018 13:57 (five years ago) link
well i rented it on itunes and - it was great!!
― the late great, Friday, 12 October 2018 14:40 (five years ago) link
RLJ Entertainment, known for releasing genre movies ("Brawl in Cell Block 99," "Bone Tomahawk") and has handled movies starring Cage in the past ("Rage," "Dog Eat Dog," "Pay the Ghost"), moved forward with the usual game plan for "Mandy."They released it in 75 theaters its first week, and had Cosmatos, Cage, and costar Linus Roache show up for live Q&As following some special Thursday-night screenings before its opening weekend, the hope being that exposure and the 94% Rotten Tomatoes score the movie has would bring in the audiences that a limited marketing budget a day-and-date movie can't.And boy did it work.And then something unusual happened: Instead of people ordering the movie on VOD, they took to social media and demanded a wider release so that "Mandy" could open at a theater near them.
They released it in 75 theaters its first week, and had Cosmatos, Cage, and costar Linus Roache show up for live Q&As following some special Thursday-night screenings before its opening weekend, the hope being that exposure and the 94% Rotten Tomatoes score the movie has would bring in the audiences that a limited marketing budget a day-and-date movie can't.
And boy did it work.
And then something unusual happened: Instead of people ordering the movie on VOD, they took to social media and demanded a wider release so that "Mandy" could open at a theater near them.
https://www.businessinsider.com/surprise-success-of-nicolas-cage-movie-mandy-causes-shift-in-theater-release-strategy-2018-10
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Friday, 12 October 2018 16:45 (five years ago) link
BRISTOL, Tenn. – A man who police say was run over with a lawn mower while trying to kill his son with a chain saw has had to have his leg amputated.
violent incidents that aren't in Mandy
― 1-800-CALL-ATT (Karl Malone), Saturday, 13 October 2018 21:55 (five years ago) link
"pls someone let Cosmatos take over on the new Dune movies"
yesss
― akm, Sunday, 14 October 2018 16:49 (five years ago) link
i think this is my favorite movie of the year. is it insane to hope that it gets oscar consideration? cage, Riseborough, director, cinematographer....all deserve some recognition.
― akm, Sunday, 14 October 2018 19:13 (five years ago) link
also i like to think of the two blonde cult members as 'slack jawed yokel 1 and slack jawed yokel 2'
"pls someone let Cosmatos take over on the new Dune movies"yesss
― circa1916, Sunday, 14 October 2018 22:48 (five years ago) link
Yeah I can see the result being interesting, but Cosmatos’ style works best on a smaller scale IMO. Plus we already have the Lynch Dune.
― latebloomer, Sunday, 14 October 2018 23:28 (five years ago) link
Peter Travers of Rolling Stone calls Mandy 'a hoot, a real old-fashioned good-timey romp! See it with your best gal's ma!'
Kinda feel like there's a stain on my soul now that I can never fully scour away. Fuckin' evil. Deeply admire the commitment to pulling zero punches. Not sure I ever need to see it again. Fairly sure I will nonetheless see it again soon.
― Extra Shprankles (Old Lunch), Monday, 15 October 2018 01:51 (five years ago) link
(I joked that Cosmatos wanted to drop an isolated slice of cinema verite into the proceedings and asked Cage to go through his usual morning bathroom routine while the cameras rolled.)
― Extra Shprankles (Old Lunch), Monday, 15 October 2018 01:55 (five years ago) link
Also: looking for recommendations of other films that exude unrelenting cosmic darkness (Possession is as far as I've gotten thus far).
― Extra Shprankles (Old Lunch), Monday, 15 October 2018 01:57 (five years ago) link
I'd say THE WITCH is pretty good at that
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Monday, 15 October 2018 02:05 (five years ago) link
I’ll throw in my usual recommendation of The Lords Of Salem.
― grawlix (unperson), Monday, 15 October 2018 02:54 (five years ago) link
I also recommend STARRY EYES.
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Monday, 15 October 2018 02:58 (five years ago) link
I must be drawn to cosmic darkness as I've seen all three! It occurred while watching that it reminded me of nothing quite so much as Twin Peaks: The Return.
Introduced my Mandy crew to Outer Space sometime just before we watched the former. You could say it was a day for feel-good cinema, I suppose.
― Extra Shprankles (Old Lunch), Monday, 15 October 2018 10:30 (five years ago) link
the pacing is certainly TP:Return-esque.
― akm, Monday, 15 October 2018 13:19 (five years ago) link
Bits of this kept reminding me of Apocalypse Now. Don't ask me to justify that comparison.
― jmm, Monday, 15 October 2018 13:31 (five years ago) link
Are you referring to the nightmare quest elements of both movies, or the way Nicolas Cage long ago went Marlon Brando-scale batshit crazy?
― Accattony! Accattoni! Accattoné! (j.lu), Monday, 15 October 2018 14:03 (five years ago) link
joe bob briggs' shudder show the last drive-in showed mandy (w/ dead and buried) on friday; joe bob doesn't really provide a lot of new insight for me because i've already read a lot about the making of this movie but it's still fun to watch him talk about it
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, 16 May 2021 18:09 (three years ago) link
his episode of cabinet of curiosities rules
― just sayin, Tuesday, 1 November 2022 09:00 (one year ago) link
It really does! Best of the bunch by a long shot.
― barry sito (gyac), Tuesday, 1 November 2022 09:01 (one year ago) link
Peter Weller absolutely kills it, in a good way I mean
― calzino, Tuesday, 1 November 2022 10:29 (one year ago) link
watched this last nite, loved it
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 1 November 2022 10:55 (one year ago) link
Thought it was a long build-up to not much, unfortunately. Weller was fun, can't remember the last time I saw him in something. Eric Andre and Charlyne Yi also very good.
― Chris L, Tuesday, 1 November 2022 12:41 (one year ago) link
I finally saw "Mandy." I don't know if it's any good, but it's definitely great.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 June 2023 03:21 (eleven months ago) link
It's both
― Do I look like I know what a jpeg is? (dog latin), Tuesday, 6 June 2023 19:42 (eleven months ago) link
I want FromSoft to make a Souls game about it
Beyond the Black Rainbow is decent as well. I'm starting to like what this director does, despite not really being in the mood for Mandy the first time I attempted watching it.
― calzino, Tuesday, 6 June 2023 20:17 (eleven months ago) link
It felt like a cross between "Evil Dead II" and (appropriately enough) "Raising Arizona."
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 June 2023 20:26 (eleven months ago) link
I saw Mandy just once when it came out but one thing I recall is that it's free of firearms? Like tons of crossbow violence but no actual guns
― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 6 June 2023 20:46 (eleven months ago) link
I think one of the devil bikers fires a gun at Cage before he gets run over.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 June 2023 20:47 (eleven months ago) link
Watched this a second time recently with my kids, who hadn't seen it. I think I enjoyed it even more the second time, just sinking into the spacey lunatic vibe.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 6 June 2023 20:51 (eleven months ago) link
Probably make a good double feature with that Nic Cage Lovecraft movie.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 June 2023 20:56 (eleven months ago) link
It's just, how do I put this, a confluence of all the aesthetics I like and it's the film that really made me appreciate Cage
― Do I look like I know what a jpeg is? (dog latin), Tuesday, 6 June 2023 21:06 (eleven months ago) link
I'm still on the fence about him. I just read "The Age of Cage" and couldn't come to any conclusion other than: sometimes his stuff works, sometimes it doesn't, it really has little to do with the quality of the film he's in, and I'll miss him when he's gone. There were a couple of really specific things in this one that I suspect he inserted, like references to the Carpenters and Galactus, and honestly, I found them distracting enough (however fleeting) to take me out of the movie a bit. I also thought he was maybe a little too old for the role, but when you're one of one there aren't a lot of alternatives. Though the bad guy gave some serious Cage vibes himself.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 June 2023 21:25 (eleven months ago) link
Cage was originally going to play the bad guy. I admit I'm so-so about the Carpenters thing because, much as I get what he's trying to do, the idea that you'd have to be a narcissistic psychopath to enjoy them doesn't chime well with me
― Do I look like I know what a jpeg is? (dog latin), Tuesday, 6 June 2023 22:55 (eleven months ago) link
I liked this a lot more in the first half than the second - still great to look at but the slow creeping dread was much more interesting than the bloody revenge flick.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, 11 February 2024 05:03 (three months ago) link