98% of ilx is tellin ppl what to do
― Dmac TT (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 15:15 (five years ago) link
Tru
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 15:16 (five years ago) link
nb i do actually think kids are great
not worth the hassle, personally speaking is all
― Dmac TT (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 15:18 (five years ago) link
Oh yeah I mean kids are fine people; I just think it’d be sensible if we wrapped up the project, for assorted reasons.
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 15:20 (five years ago) link
yeah
parents
― Dmac TT (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 15:21 (five years ago) link
i love my kids. i also get extremely envious of people without kids.
― marcos, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 15:22 (five years ago) link
Deciding not to have kids has probably been the best decision I took in the last ten years. It's a decision that gives me joy and peace of mind on a daily basis.
― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 15:57 (five years ago) link
― calstars, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 15:59 (five years ago) link
I’ll never have any childrenI would bear them and confuse them, my childrenAnd I’m not at all afraid of changingBut I don’t know what good it would do meI am no longer afraidThe truth doesn’t terrify us, terrify usMy salvation is found in discipline, in discipline
0w3n P4ll3tt head-shakingly-i'm-not-worthy otm
― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 15:59 (five years ago) link
life is more fun when you don't have kids and i'm excited for the day they're old enough that i get some of my recreational life back and can out to dinner and movies without paying a sitter a fortune. but also they give my life meaning and i don't know who i'd be without them. and also i hope they take care of me in my old age.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 16:19 (five years ago) link
^^^
― 21st savagery fox (m bison), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 16:22 (five years ago) link
little kids are annoying often but bigger rule way more than you sad lot
― droit au butt (Euler), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 16:38 (five years ago) link
The best thing about kids is passing them back to their parents after whatever rambling story they're trying to tell you finally drifts to something enough like a conclusion that you can politely escape.
― grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 16:40 (five years ago) link
I’m hoping the state will take care of me in my old age, but not as much as I hope I don’t get old
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 16:42 (five years ago) link
xp lil Malicks
― for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 16:44 (five years ago) link
Don’t you live in the US cuz
― Mordy, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 16:55 (five years ago) link
I babysit my friends' kids as. like, my civic duty. I am thrilled when I get to return them with little/no damage.
― Yerac, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 16:58 (five years ago) link
I think having kids because you think that they'll take care of you is one of the most selfish reasons. Don't put that on your kid.
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 17:29 (five years ago) link
If that's how it ends up working out that's awesome but that's also a hell of a lot of pressure to put on a kid especially when you're citing that as one of the reasons you had them.
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 17:33 (five years ago) link
^^ otm x 1000
Also:
little kids are annoying often but bigger rule way more than you sad lot― droit au butt (Euler), Tuesday, October 9, 2018 6:38 PM (thirty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― droit au butt (Euler), Tuesday, October 9, 2018 6:38 PM (thirty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
The bigger kids of today are tomorrow's sad lot. Probably even sadder than us iirc.
― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 17:38 (five years ago) link
no I was talking about all of you in particular vs the actual bigger kids I know
― droit au butt (Euler), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 17:42 (five years ago) link
I mean I have to spend time with adults because of work but what a bunch of navel-gazing bores in general whereas kids just want to play
― droit au butt (Euler), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 17:43 (five years ago) link
our kid is a constant joy and source of much terror, who needs a book of ghost stories to read at night when you know you're going to have a shadowy figure standing silently by your bed at 5 AM every morning?
it's still a mixed bag for me dealing with other people's children, because some of them are pretty obnoxious and one of them gives me some bad vibes, some real "we need to talk about Kevin" willies. But so many of them are funny and sharp and good people. Being around those kids makes me optimistic, it cheers me up.
― omar little, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 17:45 (five years ago) link
sometimes i'll read my Facebook feed and think, jeez i really have to keep my kid off social media. not for bullying reasons but it's often just so wearying and cynical and disingenuous.
― omar little, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 17:46 (five years ago) link
― droit au butt (Euler), Tuesday, October 9, 2018 7:42 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
The actual bigger kids you know will still be sadder than us lot. After all we dealt them a planet, a life, even worse than we got.
― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 17:52 (five years ago) link
So basically since you’re all powerless to make the world anything more than a shithole, you have no faith in anyone else that resembles you being able to do any better. Reasonable assumption. Also not having kids is easy as shit & saves you a ton of money, that’s another good reason & probably the best one. I’d prefer people stick to that rather than attempts to be high-falutin’ about it.
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 17:53 (five years ago) link
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 17:54 (five years ago) link
disappointing revive tbh -- there's just no substitute for lex's absurd solipsism
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 18:03 (five years ago) link
is the suggestion that you are going to save the world, or your kids are, tb?
nb i think the world is grand, apart from apocalyptists. every generation seems to think it has to save the world, seems v unlikely that theyre all correct.
my actual reason is yr second paragraph
― Dmac TT (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 18:10 (five years ago) link
Also not having kids is easy as shit
Rong
― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 18:11 (five years ago) link
So basically since you’re all powerless to make the world anything more than a shithole, you have no faith in anyone else that resembles you being able to do any better. Reasonable assumption.
Uhm... yes!
― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 18:12 (five years ago) link
― mookieproof, Tuesday, October 9, 2018 11:03 AM (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I was going to lay in to my heavily abstract anti-natalism based on the argument that it's a harm to come into existence but I lost heart. I want to reiterate that I think kids are good.
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 18:16 (five years ago) link
lol yes
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 18:25 (five years ago) link
tbf I have distinct memories of doing exactly that to my dad, so circle of life etc.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 18:26 (five years ago) link
Is "I want to pass on my genes/want to pass on something" still a thing for people to have kids? Or has that argument died along with the aristocracies and their (inbred) families? Do men (men bcz women wouldn't be this dumb) "value" passing on their genes still?
― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 18:33 (five years ago) link
My aim is to leave as little trace of myself as possible. Posting on ilx not helping tbh.
Thread's drowning in edginess. Didn't realise it was I Love Nihilism all along.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 18:36 (five years ago) link
well "passing on your genes" is pretty neat, my boy is almost 4 and I can see he's got a face like mine and a number of my personality traits. you connect with them in a way you couldn't with any other human being. so that's cool.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 18:43 (five years ago) link
That is cool! Was genuinely curious, nihilistic or not.
― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 18:44 (five years ago) link
Seeing parts of myself in my kid is a source of mild delight tempered by mild oh noesActual full-fledged delight is when the confluence of mom & dad genes manifests itself in completely unexpected ways
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 18:49 (five years ago) link
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Tuesday, October 9, 2018 10:29 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
god yeah i'm gonna be in no position whatsoever to take care of my parents when the time comes
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 18:49 (five years ago) link
this isn't conscious for me at all but i assume this is animating all childbearing decisions since it's an imperative that all living things have
― Mordy, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 18:54 (five years ago) link
my kids can be extremely challenging but by some goddamn miracle they stay in their beds when we put them to sleep and remain there until we go get them in the morning when they awake
― marcos, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:01 (five years ago) link
But this is my question: do all living things really have that imperative? I don't think they do (anymore). I don't. I'm the first to admit I'm not by any means a yardstick in this, but the erasure of the imperative to have kids is something I see around me and my generation and friends quite a lot. I do not think it is a given or imperative any more. xp
― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:02 (five years ago) link
assume this is animating all childbearing decisions since it's an imperative that all living things have
It is always good to remind ourselves that our conscious brain has only limited and marginal control over the rest of our brain and body. There's always more going on outside of conscious control than within it.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:03 (five years ago) link
We evolve tho, whether our "conscious brain" knows or recognizes this or not.
― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:05 (five years ago) link
I can count on one hand the number of women I know that are past childbearing age that don't regret not having children. those hormones are *intense*
and last time I checked the human population was still expanding/reproducing
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:06 (five years ago) link
oof
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:08 (five years ago) link
women are hormonal right enough
that is a hard one to parse tbh
― Dmac TT (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:09 (five years ago) link